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02. Types Of Counting
Bishop Dag Heward-MillsAbout this sermon
Camp Title - That My House May Be Filled. Machaneh Collection - 68. Preached in 2010, Ghana (UG-Accra). Bishop Dag Heward-Mills is a world-renowned evangelist, bestselling Christian author with over 100 books, and leader of the United Denominations, present in 100+ countries. Through his Healing Jesus Campaigns, thousands have been healed, and millions saved across Africa and beyond. As you follow this podcast, may you begin to know God in a way you have never before! Don’t forget to click the follow button and turn on notifications.
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Welcome to track #2 of that my house may be filled. We're excited. We have a reason to be excited. We have every reason to be excited. Not because of the blasters, but because of what is coming right now. Something is coming right now. Father, thank you for this opportunity in Jesus name, Amen. You may be seated because sake is on #5 isn't it? And how many points do we have? 10, by all means. We have to be finished by all means. When you're drowning, I've come to you. I will do the rain. Oh my God. Oh Jesus, Jesus, die. Oh, Jesus. Jesus Christ. Yes, he's kind. He's dead. I leave. Oh Jesus, Jesus. Oh, oh Jesus, Jesus. None. The. Oh, the land and dawn and the moon is the only I will see. No, I won't. I won't. Be afraid you don't want to die. I'll be. Afraid just as alone as you. None. Jesus, Jesus. Jesus. Jesus, Jesus. Hallelujah, how many believe in the mega church species? All right now in order to have a mega church, one of the things that we need is we need counting. We need to be able to count and know how many people we actually have in them. Now this is one of the most important things which if the government were to do, it
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Welcome to track #2 of that my house may be filled. We're excited. We have a reason to be excited. We have every reason to be excited. Not because of the blasters, but because of what is coming right now. Something is coming right now. Father, thank you for this opportunity in Jesus name, Amen. You may be seated because sake is on #5 isn't it? And how many points do we have? 10, by all means. We have to be finished by all means. When you're drowning, I've come to you. I will do the rain. Oh my God. Oh Jesus, Jesus, die. Oh, Jesus. Jesus Christ. Yes, he's kind. He's dead. I leave. Oh Jesus, Jesus. Oh, oh Jesus, Jesus. None. The. Oh, the land and dawn and the moon is the only I will see. No, I won't. I won't. Be afraid you don't want to die. I'll be. Afraid just as alone as you. None. Jesus, Jesus. Jesus. Jesus, Jesus. Hallelujah, how many believe in the mega church species? All right now in order to have a mega church, one of the things that we need is we need counting. We need to be able to count and know how many people we actually have in them. Now this is one of the most important things which if the government were to do, it would greatly, greatly help us to have a better government family to live in a better government. Amen. Now 4 advantages of count or numbering the sheep that we have now in in our church, we teach our books and I'm teaching the book Mega church. That's all. Sosaki is teaching the book. Many of us very simple. Amen. A school without exodus is lost after our exodus. Now, knowing or counting lets you know where you are. That's the first advantage. Amen. Where are you? That is how come I know that as a pastor of this local church, I never attained 5000 members attending. Although it was my dream for many years, I never attained it. How would I do when I never attained it? Because I've been We've been counting it for years. We count the people. In fact, I remember when Mosasulu came the first time, we gathered all the churches together and we were 1400. I'll never forget Africa because I was depressed after because the whole cathedral was, you see, we had to move away from the whole place was cool. I remember one time I went to London and somebody told me that, hey, I hear your check in the later that time we are just moving to the colleague or cathedral. But we had not even roofed it. And Reverend, this kid came and had a program there and I went to land and somebody said I have a church, about 8000 people. I'm in the church. I said, wow, 8000. I really wish it was true, but I'm sure it was more like 1800. Yes. So it rarely lets you know where you are Amen, and therefore where you are not. Now if you know that you are somewhere, you can start planning to go to the place that you are not. So sometimes when you are driving you know and you you are at a place you don't, especially the road. A simple suit Rd. everywhere I've seen something I've seen you cannot tell whether you are nearer this time or nearer that time. It's difficult because but you need to sum up some that go where are we so that we should know whether we should go faster or slower. We should rest or we are almost there. We are far from there, you know. So it's very important to now. That is why developed countries where things are managed and planned, you get it. They know the number of people. Have you not watched Chelsea, Manchester? You know when they are playing, they will tell you how many people are in the stadium. Yeah, it is that I was. I was talking to one gentleman who is involved in soccer and gang. Unless you do Kudulu, you cannot do, you know Kululu, I think you cannot get the money. I said, how do you do it? How do you do that kind of thing in soccer? I said, oh, when you have a soccer match between two teams and then people come to the stadium when maybe they have 50 million from the proceeds, they declare 20 million. That's, that's how they that's how they get money. You see. So straight away you see that you have given room giving something happier, please. You have given room for all kinds of things. That's because you don't know the true, accurate, correct, factual reality. I need to actually do that. And you see how much a stadium makes and how much therefore the soccer players should be playing all those things that the foundation is knowing the facts, that the foundation of everything is knowing. The trouble reality, whether it is good or bad, is the foundation. So everything, so the whole of soccer is gonna cannot work because we can't know a clearly on that. There are 41,689 people here or there are 4337 people here. People just come and go, go even now. And the foundation is built upon business prosperity. Everything depends on anything. You don't have that reason and nothing work from then on. Everything is lies, deception, hypocrisy and unrealism, which is the Korean culture. So in the church people also like to do that and let the church descend into this unreal whatever. So a lot of people came out. Download We have 50 to 10,000. One day I went to a hotel. I stayed in a hotel in some part of Ghana. When I opened the drawer by the bedside, I saw a magazine of a church in a crap. So I started reading the magazine and I saw that in the church they have written 10,000 people attend this church every Sunday and that church was in a car and I said wow I'm going to learn from this church. So I made an appointment and I went to that church 1 evening. When I got there I was looking to see the 10,000 people. So I select councillors. How many people are here? And I counted, I counted the chairs and there were 800 chairs. I counted 1-2 people. Very painful. It's very good to count with your eyes. Have you seen it after that? Because when you get, you wonder. A new mixed start again. Let's see. So I'm telling you, the foundation of all that we are doing is to know the true, true, true, true, true, true, true, true pictures of what we really have. And if we don't have the letters, we know what we don't have, so that we just know this is where we are. We don't have to deceive ourselves and nobody should deceive themselves. One day, one of our pastors, he went in there, He filled the forms. We have some forms that we filled. They filled attendance, the number of people that were there, this, that, and that. So what happened was that there was a visiting preacher who came for that to mention and then when the signature came, I asked how was the check that he mentioned. I said well how was the attendance then he told me so then I said let us check the attendance that was treating when you were there. So we went into the denominational office records and when we checked they are treating a figure with the pastor who came which is is not possible. So I remember that that pastor was telling lies. So one day I decided to send a spy to the church. So I sent my spy. My spy arrived in the church, the person thought that the spy was suggested passing to me. So the spy start there, counted all the people and everything, gave me the records. Then they filled their homes and so on. And yet again, completely different. So I thought one day I, I didn't tell if I didn't say anything to the past tomorrow, long time. But one day I thought the fact I said no, look at this, he said. It takes away if you have only 15 people in the same car with other boys and we have to come and help you. Rather than saying that there are 40 people or 50 people, then we rather think everything is OK. So let's move away from either not knowing or write it and say things which are not the case, which says that 10,000 people 5000 2003 it is not true. What you are is what you are, that's all. And we are not with you and God will not reward you. Hang up with your second test. God does not reward you according to what people is in proportion to something. That's why time is in proportion to something. It's not in proportion to everybody is giving. Everybody's life is 40 CDs, everybody's life is 50 CDs, and your life is hundreds of So's life. You are doing well when you are earning millions, you have to give up. It is more like an insult to go to give them that because if it's relative to what you have, So what we can become and what this church has become is relative to what for our people. It's not related to what Windows Chapel is doing. Windows Chapel in Nigeria, they are youth church for the university. It is bigger than our Kodesh, the youth church and the starting money church service. Bishop The uniform came to our church and saw our chairs and he was exactly the same thing he told us when we went there. He had 52,000 of the chairs up inside the he had 52,000 inside the building and 50,000 benches outside for Sunday and it is awful on Sunday morning. The point is not what somebody is doing or what somebody is great or whatever is what. We also have been humanly surprised together relative to what we have been given and what our colleague is our check maybe 10 times bigger than his check, even though he has to break our little check that we have maybe 10 times bigger than his relative to what we've been giving. That's why she has the window and giving more than all the. So don't worry about numbers. It wasn't what your gift is and what you can do before your gift is. So number will tell us where we are counting #2 how these are the advantages of counting the methods in the church. And I'm sitting from page 39 to 26 of Mega Church #2 I'm on now. On page 27, you have the book in the house. The second reason why we must number the church members and count the people, truly, all right, is to check backsliding. Yes, backsliding rollbacks 27, verse 23, verse 24. What does it say? It says these are diligent to know the state. Of thy flaws, and look well to thy heads. For riches are not forever. Riches are not forever. Success is not forever. Whatever used to be great before is usually not great to be. Or you don't know that. Do you not know that what used to be great Indiana? We'll have the shop called Kitchen. We'll have the shop called UTC. We'll have the shop called We'll have the shop called Air Max. We'll have the shop called Multi Store GMTC, another shop called GMTC that understand Trading Company Paris. There was another shop called Parisco. All these when I said no this I'm not in for this door maybe that I've got place place CFL. Hey, I can visit shop on the High Street. Very nice shop for this door. Still there, you think I used to go with my mother with background and in fact that you go inside UTC, ground floor upstairs. Oh, it was a nice shot, UTC and you know that. Yes, right. Ghana. I didn't believe. I didn't know too. Yeah. But today it is not because the. I will say that what is rich today, it does not mean it will be rich in the days and the years I have. It's not like that. There's nothing like that. So when you see a frog gather in sitting in the production doesn't mean they will always be there. You have to be bad because maybe the day that is coming for them to be going out has already come. So we have to why happen to that? The attack has gone down from 3200 to 2900. And you know that yes, that is also unhealthy to see that I have to leave the check for somebody better to do it. Because after I keep on looking at the numbers at the beginning of the year, you see 2300. By the time June has been, you see that about 400 people have stopped coming to jail. All kinds of the fact look they, they reveal the truth ish this it helps you to stop backsliding and how many want us to stop backsliding to do not do backsliding. So that's why we count and I'll show you the page We count #3 Counting stimulates growth and generates a new vision and and compassion for the lost. Counting generates a compassion for the lost. When you count the members you generate. You look and you see how many are we 2000? How many people are there? 4 million. Instead of praising yourself and having why you'll be happy after they ever to celebrate nothing, you start doing outreaches and fasting and praying because you can see that you are the loser. Everything is going to help and it depends on you and for me. Amen. How many are blessed with advantages of counting? How many of you start our country will count? How many students? If you hear the figure? How many students do not go to university this year? When you when you hear the fear that you feel very sad. Thousands. You you can have like 35,000 people could not enter university in a year. There is no and not that they have FFFF that they have to do that. So that since they have aggregate AT when they cut off, you see, see, I remember I was talking their vice answer once you said aggregate AT which is 6 subject CCCCCCCCC. So FCCCCD you cannot go to universe and it's a thousands like 30 thousand 40,000 gallons. When you're looking into you have to have only one EE NFFEFF you can enter university EEF and one two straight because E is fast and you didn't get is failed. I stand for failure in what there are passes collects me if I'm wrong, the same qualifications one just one one of the things you do. It's also the joke and you see again, if you see that's when you see that that is someone who says there's no people who are when you count the people that are in the crowd and then a number of people that have a that's when they tell it to be covered. That's when you see that I think there is no what happened that they are in capable of the way they are doing and they will resign. Toilet days it is just the number of people that are sitting on top using toilet in a car and it's other than you see that our toilet ratio is about 8% of toilet in the country 20%, only 20% use toilet. But see, when it was, oh, why lots of people, all accommodations, Which toilet do you think they use? How do I say OK to you when you are going to the exit, drinking the house, some of it. They're having their projects and you give their pilot after doing the same thing that's on the road. You're talking about swamps in the front and that is the city of slamps. There are slamps all over the city. This was 53 years of how management that is what the men can do. It's only when you actually cover you see how authentic it is and why people when they are dealing with us, they just do the figures. They just do the that's like me, I don't take white people around to impress the guy. No, they're not impressed. They go on Internet before they can say Ghana is a nation of this business. It has this percentage of this business. The roads are business that this is that percentage of water drinking this distance. And I don't think that because they have to go. When I was young, I used to take this. So don't you see? We have some and I realized that. Are they not so impressed? I realized that they do more. How would you not know that Shimon is the largest community in Ghana if the US Embassy will tell you that the biggest, Shimon is the biggest. There are more people than Shimon than all of the Basi and all they're all sitting in Australia. the US Embassy have the biggest. That's what I'm saying, that let us stop lying to ourselves and say, oh, conventional people get. So we said that there, there are 206 cars or 136. When you start counting, then you start to see that 136 cars and there's 6000 people. There's a few people in the church. Have compassion. When you come, you say, oh, they come up. It's very slow. It's only takes a few people you see in counting if I'm never sure you would do it in the chest. Now. Disadvantages of this of counting #14-O the four points, I'll give you a lead free. The 4th 1 is in the book. There are three disadvantages or dangers of counting #1 pressure to impress, line, and exaggerate. You know when you counted, you can't believe that it's true. So you want to act one who favor boy, count it again. Are you sure? Check it. The one you have you have to come and be made in thousands. I remember when I tested everything to be true. You're sitting with the passes in the transit. I have 15,000 minutes. I have 5000 minutes. I have 80,000 seat. I have a 40,000 seat. I became discouraged but later I realized that people are counting spirits and I need that counting machine which can count as spirits #2 Self deception. Amen. It is very easy to deceive yourself when you use the wrong counting metal. And so a lot of people under the canopies, one of the canopies are full. It means this the colonists take thousand people. When you go to the canopies, you see this 250, three and the last and most dangerous, this advantage is discouragement. So that it's very discouraging to count. So the counters will count and write it down. So later we discuss it. Amen. Are you there? What do you think? Now, 14 different things that we must be counting in the church, Amen #1 the number of people physically present on Sunday, which is what we call Type 1, you know, Type 1 county. You say yes, but you see, that's what they know when we go round and we do an exam. Now what Type 1 county you see that only 30 people know out of all of us, But it doesn't get, you know, get, but we don't know Type 1 is when. OK, let me do a quick exam now one Type 1 something Type 2, Type 3, Type 4. Can I have some people Type 1? You tell me what is Type 1? Type 2? Shall I choose you? You are looking straight. You don't look at me when I was telling you that you are looking at, you know, what are you writing? I won't mind you again. Type 1 is 1 and now physically present. I'm actually type 2 is the number of people on the test register. Amen. Type 3 is the cumulative count. That's when you have first 30 seconds and the third that is it means that inspired everybody. Type 4 is the seating capacity. So somebody asks how many people do you have checked what is the capacity? But some people just count capacity. Type 5 is rough estimates. Someone doesn't know about this and type 6 is wild and unreasonable guessing. Wow. And type 7 is when any figure somebody mentioned, you mentioned the higher one, Type 6 is what you just get, but type 7 is 2 out of two everybody else. Amen. Now we must avoid the wrong type of. So sometimes when somebody tells you, well, my check has 5000 like that check is 800 seats. We said they have 10,000 members, every standard attending. Maybe there is cumulative counting. There is cumulative count for the whole week. Do you see? Maybe they have several service plus common fees. When you add it cumulatively, you get 10,000. It's possible. Are you there? So brothers and sisters, Taiwan is our main county method and we need to know the number of people that are attending the church. What do you think the number of people that are attending the camp? OK, so #2 the number of people attending a weekly service. Amen. It's very important. Weekly service shows the strength of them inside of the church. Amen. Because Sunday worshippers, you cannot count on them for so much. Is it true or it is not true? So you must have a strong weekday service, and we must all be a weekday service. It's our culture in this church. Weekday service, so weekdays must be encouraged. We need to be at weekdays, so we must be concerned about the agenda of the weekdays. How many people are coming, how many people are not coming anymore? Amen #3. The number of people present at fellowship meetings. Amen #4 the number of people present are counts. What do you do? Is it so like, for instance, how many people this year's count, how many people last year's count? Amen. It's an important number for us in the church. Amen. Amen #5 The number of people at the convention. Wow. If you notice conventions, you will notice even changes in attendance. Amen. Sometimes somebody have never been there, but they are impressed with the person. After the person counts several times people are not as interested and as impressed. The number of people absent is an important number. If, for instance, we know the number of people who don't come to check during World Cup, it can help us to plan next time there's African cap or World Cup so that we will not plan any service during such an event. And I'll tell you something, you know, let us be careful about this World Cup because it cannot control the change. It should not be that we are having a camp. We have to close the camp because of the world camp. It's wrong. There's something wrong with that because you cannot repeat the camp, you cannot easily extend it, you cannot easily organize it. But the World Cup, you can't watch it again. You really want to watch it and ask your idea. You get full or you get silent. It's true. I don't think that it's it's a good thing that we have to prove a count because of the, well, count. I think that it's a wrong thing, that the thing has become more than God even. Yeah, it's become more probable than what? Oh, yeah, we like to watch everything. Yes, I've seen the world camp. If you were having the crusade, we have to close the crusade because of this world camp. They will not come because they are watching vodka. How can so you ask yourself that, hey, what is this thing that has become so powerful, so great, so all-encompassing, that takes up the heart and the minds of the people with passion and love? Everybody's watching it and looking at it. Hey, is it a good thing that it can reveal to you even the canality in the church? Yeah, a footballer never some years ago affected jet service. What are you talking about? The number of people in the farm. There must be more and more and more people in the farm and also an important number. And then that is what it helps you to know Amen. Sometimes how healthy the church is. So for the Johnny is able to have a lot of people in this fire for years. Other people are at times speaking over the fine. All the members got finished the fine. So the membership of a fine is also a very important number. And you can also check what is the attendance of this power when this person is the leader of the power? What is the attendance in the power when this person is the leader? But it even reveal to you who is a good leader or who is a Good Shepherd of the people. Just as I also use the attendance in the church to assess myself and I'm being a pastor of the church. But now that they are somewhere, they, they, they, they, they, they. First discarded and you mentioned that as you want. There was nothing to do the number of people in your city where your church is located because lager city means lager church. Christ is becoming like Lagos, so the churches are going to become bigger like the Lagos churches because our Christ swelling up is the strolling city. It's the strolling city, more people. There's so space in the town. The cars cannot move. There's no way to where to come from one place to another. The traffic cars, you can be in traffic for hours. The government has not made the roads. If we look at the one day I went to Switzerland and I went, I saw the map there, preaches, the number of kilometers of the road that they have now preaches. I thought everything is counted. If we were to go to Ghana, count the number of kilometers of the wood and I stayed from the north, real wood that is this type of wood, they give each one a kilometers that will happen that conduct their possession which is Tamils two mountains. Oh, oh, that road is good. How many have decided to move away from this type of estimation? Oh, a lot of oh, the people are how do you people like that now? How many people will vote that the foundation of conflict and war because we can't know it's true. You got anybody who wants to register? I went to do my voters register. I just did my voters registration. I didn't have to show any passport, nothing, because any ordinary customers who are customers also being registered. So different people can come and register to their first half of it. Then they go back and after they go to that place, they go to that place and that's it. Just write a different name in their place going on registry. How many people are there in the country when they say we should use photo IDs, every photo ID to have? We don't want it because we want to continue the corruption. Go to Kenya and see what happened. There will not be any peaceful election in government until the battle lives are clear. You change this work out. There is no confusion. As of God the white man has made the rules. If you win 1 you get, if you withdraw you get how much one. If you lose, you get with the candidate four of you are going to play depends on what number of whatever. If you lose 1, you get when we add it up and you have the same the number of goals. This is as long as we move. We lost to Germany. We we were playing with uniform at 6:30. There was no that we are going against our demonstration, so we don't. Everything is there for everybody to see. The whole station went from everything. We are waiting for the foundation for NPP to rise up to kill NDC and for NDC to rise up to NPP. That's what we are doing. Because it's not clear who is a canet and who votes and how many times you can vote and all those things. I was entering England last a few weeks ago when I entered as a place down the glass. You don't even show your passport. You go and understand that you just look at you and you see what I'm saying, that all these things are out there. That's left for me. When I saw that all I said, you see, there's no demonstration in South Africa by all Africans. OK, then why are you making us play with Brazil? You would want to play with Uruguay. You're always choosing the difficult, but you feel that we should be elevated so that stronger. There's something like that. It's a 6:30 to live in Uruguay. That's why that only can come when you take your time to come. There are 146 people in the when pastor was, but there were 243. Since you took over 243, you have brought the number there. Stop arguing. You are the destroyer of the under your management. It has been depleted, but there will be a long meeting. Because we don't know the. Be an extent of counting to know the facts that people know. We are Africa. The number of people who give their life to Christ every Sunday. There are some pastors, the strength doesn't flow through their messages so people don't get sick. Is so weak. I see when we go for a meeting we have because usually the special service. Stop it. You want to know the truth, that reality. It is discouraging, but it is true. It is good. What do you think? Remember, are you there? How many #11 #11 #11 the number of new Congress who are still in the church after two months. That will also tell you whether people are in the church after two months. Number of lay workers in the church #12 Yeah. Number of lay workers in the church? Number of lead weapons in the church? Amen. Yeah. How many people are in the camp? How many married couples are in the church? How many Baptists are in the church? When we are come to the people how many are there how many how many how many people are there How many of you are not married Grace you have to give me away. That is it Government will say most of them are not married. How many are marriage raise your marriage. So is it by our estimation you get it Many. How many marriage? How many bones of my bones and relations of my? How many bones of my bones do you have? And the pressures of my friends, do you have estimation? So, but from now we are going into accurate numbness. We are going into accurate numbers so that we know how many bones of my bones. There's. No one to start. You are this young mother. There's no one. I do you lie. Lie to you forever. Go away. I will take good care they love you and child you with rain always try can separate but they won't get a chance. That's all we can take. You late you are so this time you are the story of my world. I do my life. I will stay right by your side. Whatever come I will. I first deserve what a what? A who. I make my dreams come true. I'm wrong in them, in this world. Is there any one by you? Oh not be down with that viping, with that viping of the sound of rhyme. None. And message of my friend Zomsaki is going to finish this message. But before I hang over to him, we want to just pray by Uruguay. None 14 19. The Mountain just don't you. Just don't you, because there's finally Jesus. The. This is the only life we see. No, I won't be afraid. No, I won't be afraid to live that long. The. Take your hands by God tonight. Save us from the spirit of this grace. Let us not be ashamed. Deliver into our hands a secret weapon 'cause I used by some trees to be disappointed to God in the name of Jesus. Oh God, save the peace of Africa, where we be lifting up today by your mercies and your. We lost our Ghana gobbles and the students. No border and not right. We widen the gobles of Uniwal, we weaken their defence, we strike out their strikers. We confused that in the name of Jesus said like listen to me on this, stop that into confusion. We cry also stop by us tonight, Lord, in the name of Jesus, of God. And everybody shot that. The. None. We hope you have been blessed and transformed by this camp. To get the most out of it, you will need to listen to it over and over again. Make sure you listen to all the other camps in the Machinaire. Don't forget to stop by our website at www.daguwoodmills.org. Here you can download other messages, videos and find out about all the books and other resources available by Dacurid Mills. May God bless you in your ministry.