04. 7 Steps To The Anointing 1

Welcome to track #4 of break forth and become who you can become. So we are, we are talking about the anointing, isn't it? OK, so I believe that one of the main things that we need is the anointing for our churches to grow. Is that also because most of us have churches, but we want, we need our churches to grow. Amen. And that anointing you get it is, is it you? You must from now onwards understand anointing in terms of these seven areas that we've been outlining since ISI is the same thing, you get it. So you must understand it and accept it in terms of number one, the Spirit of the Lord, which is the Lords Spirit. Jesus pattern his style for anything including church growth. Like how did Jesus get a lot of followers, a lot of people to follow him for thousands of years. We are all still, we have never seen him before, never. But we are here, following Him, reading His words, and ready to die for His words. That's an amazing thing. Some of us, if we leave our churches for a short while, the church will finish. And that is why I believe that I should be able to leave the Kodesh or leave the church that I have been pastoring. And the church should be able to work if I have the Lord's Spirit. It's a pattern of the law for the church to grow after I leave it because Jesus left the church and the church grew from 12 to thousands in different countries. So I don't think that it is the Lord's pattern to have to be there to secure it. I have to go to America to secure the place. I have to go to Switzerland to secure the place. That thing that is something wrong with it to me is I have to go and show my face. Do you understand? So that the people see me. I know that I'm the one, and I'm still the one. No, I don't think the Lord had to do that. Do you understand? Yeah. And if I, if I, if I don't show my face, if I don't go there, the people will forget me. Though they will not remember. They will do this. They should forget. There are a lot of verses and a lot of scriptures that will realign them at a point. Amen. So we are talking about the Lord's pattern and His style. And for me, at the very beginning of ministry, I always particularly remember one thing and starting to think, how can I be a good preacher? How can I be a good preacher? And I wanted to follow Jesus style of preaching. So everything that we do in the ministry, if it's growth, you must ask yourself, because some of us, you see, that's also another thing you realize that you, you are not. That's also one of the things that you must also realize that you may not be a person who can make a church grow the way you are, the way you preach and the way you lead. It's not that type. You may be better off being an assistant. You may be better off being doing some other type of ministry work, you know, But I don't know. I think the most difficult thing to see is yourself, isn't it? Yeah. Until the invention of mirrors, it is difficult to see yourself, what you really look like, isn't it? Yeah, so your church with the spirit of Jesus Christ, Amen. Then the spirit of wisdom understanding. OK, now with the spirit of understanding, right comes the topics in the book, the mega church. And what I'm realizing is that loyalty has been understood to a point, to the point where people can identify this is that this thing you are saying is that when you make a comment like this very, very small comment, we can notice it. Recently I had a situation like that with one of some group in the working in the offices and the different comments that were made when noticed by somebody who was working there. When said that, the person said this, the person said this, the people said this, the people said this. You see and even at one point the people there was a certain reference made called the upstairs people, the upstairs people say this and that. So when you start to refer to somebody or a group, in a way it's like our man, you see the upstairs people, those whatever you see, there's something wrong. Yeah, straight away there's something wrong. No matter what they say, there's something wrong somewhere because instead of saying we or our, it's like when you meet your church member and your church member is saying your church is this and then your church. But you thought the person was a member of the church and he said by your church, your church. Then you as the person is talking, you feel more discouraged because you realize that he's not really a part of the church because he's saying your church. You see your church. I really like your church. Your church is powerful. OK, so now if you want to have church growth, you need you get it to understand church growth more and then you need to understand the anointing itself more, which is why we shared about that in the book on the mega church Terminated, transferred Anointing. What is that one? The anointing. The man of God's life is terminated and his anointing is transferred to somebody else. Did you get it now? I was talking to my wife about some of these different things in history and then I was asking her about whatever she was. Oh, yeah, I studied Napoleon. I did this. I did this and I and I said that. But we, we don't benefit from it. You see, a lot of people studied economics, history, Napoleon, but it has no relevance. It's almost like the studying is here and life is at a different place. That is why we have a lot of people who do Oxford whatever but does not make our country better because what they studied in real life is not linked. So the linkages are not there. Do you understand? So now the linkages are what we need. We need to link the things in the Art of Leadership book to what we are seeing. Even in this hotel. You know, there are so many things that are signs of something, huh. What signs have you seen and what is it a sign of? I can show you. I just called somebody. I was working just to walk from my room to here and I was just pointing. You see this, this what it means. You see this, this what it means. You see this as you walk, you can see the things you see. So if the linkage between what you know or what you have studied and what is actually happening practically, that's what's not there. So you said terminated, transferred, anointing, and you are just sitting up like that. It means nothing to you in practical real life. What does it mean that terminated transfer? There's not the word that you just see. There's nothing impractical about the thing because the man who wrote the book, he wrote the thing from practical point of view. This is not a theory. Do you get it? Yeah. And by the way, when I was in school, the subject that I like most are the most theoretical highfalutin things. My, my, my interest was even in research. I am also super highfalutin and technical with research. And those are the things that I was in the pathology, I was at top of my class, just a lot of details and a lot of just I mean slides and other pictures and things. That's also how I am. What somebody's writing practically is different from theoretical research, which I can also go into which was even my interest area. So I'm saying that there is tested something practical that thing that you see you can you terminated transfer you have to do there is a leakage and that linkage must start to occur. That's what we don't have the linkage connect from this to this. What's the art of leadership? This is it and in your practical situation where you see yourself doing something rather that link it to yourself. Now this what I'm not doing is this connect it. Oh, you don't understand what I'm saying. Yeah, living transferred anointing. Is it possible to link it? What is living transfer? The anointing on one person is transferred to someone whilst that man of God is alive. So for me, practically, if I'm looking at this thing practically, I am looking to see that. Is there any dead person whose anointing has been transferred to somebody or transferred to me who is dead? And then is there somebody who is alive whose anointing I am benefiting from or I am carrying today? Practically, I'm actually looking to see the science and it's only out of humility and the fear of arrogance that there are certain things that I may not say or teach. Because out of the out of the fear of God, you cannot just stand up and say, OK, I am now I have this anointing. I have this person's aspirate. I have. I cannot say that. How do you say something like that? That means you don't fear God, isn't it? Yeah. But if you fear God, you will be very careful. You don't just say I'm carrying this anointing, I have this anointing. But you must be linking and see, is there somebody who is dead whose spirit I'm carrying or is there somebody who is dead who can carry? Why do you think I, I will follow Benny Hinn when the person I'm looking for is Katherine Kuhlman? Because of this particular message here, terminated, transferred anointing. This particular point is linked to my listening to Benny Hinn's messages. That's why I listen to Benihin. I cannot understand Katherine Kuhlman and I could not also understand Benihin. But through Benihin I am able to and I am able to connect. Benihin is my father as far as miracles are concerned. I learnt I follow him for more than 10 years to understand how to operate in miracles and to have a miracle ministry from a purely teaching ministry to a miracle ministry where I've seen all the miracles documented and on video for you to see. Yeah. And this particular point, this particular point terminated transfer. Do you see? It's practical to me. It's connected to me, to my life. There's always a practical use to it. I think that's what I learned in SU. What does this vest mean to me? That's the first thing. How can I apply practically to my life today? Is that not what we ask when we are having our quiet time or we are supposed to ask those questions? Do you see? How does it apply to me practically? Do you understand? Yeah. What aspect applies to me today, Bishop Pennies. I don't want the questions we asked. There are some sets of questions. Is that what? Is that a good example for me to follow? Is that what a bad example for me to avoid? And what again, is there a command to obey, a prayer to pray or a promise? And what else? Is there any way in which it applies? So that is why, that is why if you are effectively reading, you cannot read a lot. You cannot read a lot effectively because only on terminated transferred anointing, you can stay there and try to think about it. Is there any way it applies? And suddenly there comes a revelation that will change, may change, may change a lot of things for you. That is what I believe. You get it. Yeah. So living transferred anointing, is there a linkage to you today that anointing is living and is transferable? Is there practically somebody has that anointing and you also have it? The thing has moved. Then anointing sharing, you see now we are talking about understanding the anointing. Anointing sharing is where there is a spirit here and that anointing is spread out so the person is carrying the burden, sharing the burden, isn't it? Call me 70 men and I'll take of the spirit which is upon thee and I'll put it on them. Amen. That is what we call sharing. Is there any leakage to your life today practically either. Is there a connection, Daniel? There a connection. There's no connection. Then what you have read is the same as chewing grass. It has no benefit to you that you might as well not have read it. Even if I read a whole chapter of the Bible, I don't see a particular linkage to myself. I do not benefit from it. I don't feel I've had my quiet time. This is our big problem that is that any linkage. That's why we don't change, because we don't link it to ourselves. We just really say we've read, we just said we know the points #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 modified anointing, transfer. That's the next type of anointing. Is there any practical linkage to your life today of this particular point? That's the next. And I'm reading it from the Mega Church book. Is there a practical connection to you modified anointing transfer? Very, very much so. Especially if you see that you have another kind of a gift or something, you may realize that, yeah, this person may be my father, but the kind of anointing that I may be carried is quite different or is slightly modified. And it practically, can you see that anointing has transferred? How do you know that the anointing has been transferred? How do you know what are the seven signs that show you that anointing has come to your life? How do you know if there's no sign that anointing has come to your life? Then you work on this thing until there's a sign. Until there's a sign. Yeah. I went to a camp a couple of days ago. Pastor Oku was having a camp and when I entered the camp, the whole place, you see, there were several things that made me see that the person who was holding the camp is. It's a son to me in the ministry, the environment, the seating, the arrangement, the atmosphere, the floor, because I was outside for a few seconds, the way the whole thing and I said it is my actual son in the misuse conducting this camp, yes. So you see, maybe somebody you cannot get up and say because of the fear of God, you cannot get up and be calling things upon yourself. But people you see can't even recognize that. Look, this thing I tell you is the same thing, is the same spirit that the person is carrying. Yeah. Because I saw the environment, even the city, because, you see, you may think that the way we even sit at camps and so on, it's just accidental. It's not accidental. There's a reason. There's a reason why even you see the City of Ectape and the feeling in the camp and the flow, you see that You see that this somebody who is around is not, is not around for nothing. Yeah. So that's what I'm asking you is that is there any connection, can you locate a movement of anointing and what are your evidence and what is your reason? If I followed Benny Hinn to understand miracle anointing, do I have any evidence? Do I have any evidence? The first one of the first evidence was at the very beginning when we started to have miracle, Miracle services. I remember somebody came from abroad and we were having a service at that time. It was quite very similar to the way Benny Hinn has his services. And the person said, hey, lady. The person said, oh, the service was just like Benny Hinn service or said something like that. And I took note of it. Yeah. But you see, what I'm trying to say is that you have to ask yourself. What is the practical linkage to your life otherwise? There's no need of all the things you are reading and there's no need of all the things that because you may ask yourself in Ghana, why is it that where was President Gufot train Oxford? Where was Professor Mills train Harvard? None of the leaders of Ghana are locally, locally bred people. None of them have been deprived of the opportunity to go abroad. None of them, all of them practically were either from abroad, trained abroad, went to school abroad, Buzia, groomer, all of them. All these people except Rollies. Do you understand? Yeah. So it's not about, it's not about adding more points to the points that we know. It's about linking the points that we have already to practical. And that also takes time. And you can see that it is on the absence of thinking. It's honestly the absence of thinking. The mind is not working. The mind is on leave. The mind is fresh and unused and is fresh and unused practically in your church, in your personal life, not in the world or in the government. You practically, your mind is not thinking, it's affecting you. Don't think of the government, think of yourself. Stop thinking of others when the preaching is going or something of comedy far away when you walk on the road. The last time we came, there was no name on the tree. Something something oak, whatever. This time we've come, the man has made a name and has put on the tree. Somebody's thinking about his hotel. Somebody's thinking that's why he's a rich man. That's why he's a millionaire. You are not. He's thinking about the thing that he's doing though the weather is doing, the tree that has been planted. He's thinking about the tree and you are not thinking about something small in your church. It doesn't occur to you, and you want him to distribute all that he has to to all of you who come around. He will not and he should not. He has put a name on his tree. You don't want to think about a tree. What you ask yourself, what is the importance of a tree? You may cut it down. He has put a name on it. My when I look at my room, when I came out, I saw that he has put a sign of the distance, so, so many number of meters from here to where you are going. Somebody is thinking about his work that he's doing and we don't think about it. But I said, I mean it all. I'm not just saying that we don't think. I'm like, I'm trying to insult you. I mean, it's true literally, literally. We don't actually stop. And what's his OED process? I think more than I pray. I think more than I. That's why the university that he has built, you would think you are in America when you step there. Yeah, he's thinking about what he's doing. When you step there, you think you are in America. And the Nigerian government which is earning millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars and they including unexpected revenues since the last one, the oil price went up of over 100 million U.S. dollars daily extra apart from the normal one that they get revenue extra $100 million, cannot make a university for its people. All the Nigerians are running to Ghana to come to school. So I'm just explaining to you, do not expect people to redistribute the wealth that they have. There are a lot of wealth blessings, benefits that Bishop Saki should have had, that Bishop Eddie should have had that have been redistributed, redistributed. I'm telling you further, the work that they have been doing hard work for years, it has been redistributed, shared. And we are saying that the error of redistributing one person's hard work, do you understand, is over. So you better sit up and connect that link. Linkages create easy. Like in a website, you create linkages. This is linked to this. If you don't create the linkages, your mind is not working well. It must not be compartmentalized. Work is related to benefits. Seed sowing is related to harvesting. OK, what I'm saying may sound harsh, but it is the reality and we really need to sit up because you can imagine what I feel like I'm just coming to parrot the book that you have in your hand back to you. Obviously, I will even feel worried before I start. You get it. I've written it. You can ask the people one day. I asked, I think while we were in the office, I asked, I think Pastor Prince, is it difficult to write a book? He says very, very, very, very, very hard because when I go to work, I call all of them that let's all go. I don't want to be in the office alone with a lady or something. I said, oh, everybody comes. All those in my, everybody. Can you see them there? We will be there struggling the night through the morning till dawn. The light will be on, the light will go, the light will come and we'll be there. You see, everybody's tired and has very, very, very, very, very hard. That's what he said. Very, very hard. I said, huh, Welcome. Yeah. And you see that somebody is working hard. And what the person should even benefit from redistribute, redistribute, redistribute. Funny, funny. But God has caused it to be that way, and God is making me tell you what I'm telling you because all of us have to sit up. You get it? We have to sit up and we have to. We have to think. It is in the book, Obi, I'm going to give you that work. It is us. Don't think it's true. It's really true. Don't think about somebody. It is US. Don't blame somebody else. Is it somewhere in the book? Find it the book that you have, it is written there. Never blame anything else apart from yourself. If you are a good leader, you always take the response and it is in the book somewhere. Never think that it is not you or in your case is different. It is true. What I'm saying. Diminishing anointing transfer. Is there any connection? What is diminishing anointing? When the anointing is transferred from 1:00 to another, but is reduced in its strength and glory? I've written it all to give understanding to the subject of the anointing. Many people have got it. They didn't write it. They can see it, but they cannot even perspicaciously identified and see that this is death, this thing is this happening. This one is transferred by its modified, it's transferred by its diminishing. This one is living is transferred. So it's death that is transferred, that it has even been transferred at all that has any. Why do you think we write about anointing transfer? Because the idea is that anointing should be transferred to you practically. Practically, you should experience anointing being transferred to your life practically. If you don't experience anointing coming to your life practically, then what is the point of the book writing transfer, transfer, transfer, transfer when you are never receiving any transfer? Was it just a theological discourse? Was it just a literature that we were writing? It's not literature. If you want literature, I'll give you real literature. Enhanced anointing transfer. When the anointing has been transferred from one person to another, but it's upgraded like Elijah to Elijah, it goes up. So practically, is there any transfer of anointing that you can connect in your life which is gone higher practically? Think about it. I'm asking you a question. Can you link it? Because all I'm trying to do is to create linkages. It's not. I'm trying to give you any new form. You know it, you have, you've written exams. I'm trying to link it to something. Practically. Do you know anybody who is alive who it seems that the person has received some anointing from somebody, but it has gone higher. Do you know? And then you start to ask yourself if the Spirit of the Lord is upon you, the anointing is. You start to ask yourself, why does the anointing increase when it comes from this person to this person? Why? It's a question which is not answered in the book. Well, and the same question you can ask why does it diminish? Please, Those of you who went to Bible school for four years, did you read these subjects? Raise your hand if you if you read it, have you linked it to your lives? Huh. Doctor. Doctor Interfa. I don't think you are doing linkages in your school. You must have linkage classes, please. Huh. Yes. Hello, hello. All you're saying is very true is, is one of the things that we've identified that the students know the material in terms of the facts, but there is no ability to apply the knowledge. So what we have done in recent years, at least in the last about 1-2 years is that now we are even making our exams more practical. And also like the oral exams, trying to let you tell us, you know, or frame the question in such a way that you have to deduce the practical application of it. And not just parroting the the fact. Because writers, they can tell you the fact and all about how do you actually put this knowledge to use. You know, it's often all there. And I believe that's what we are talking about. Former anointing reintroduced? Do you have any linkage practically? Is it a theory that is being written? Is there any former anointing that can has been reintroduced into the world today? Such as what, Wesley? Is that any former anointing? That is why you may so this. This former real anointing we introduced is what may make you read history biography of people who are dead whom you didn't see through that you may be surprised that God would introduce an anointing which people don't even know about into your life It's true so that. You may be surprised at what? Amy Semple manifesting did you may do or what even Maria Woodworth ETA a lot of people don't know what she did and she was born into the manifestation of the spirit etcetera. And Charles Finney, what he did, George Jefferson or George Jeffries, you know? What he did, who was? He is he. So there are former anointings and mantels. Do you get it? That we do not know anything about because we do not read. And especially when the book is hard to read, we do not read it. Yes. Are you there new? And original. Anointing. Is there any new? Original anointing whereof it may be said, see this is new. Amen. Then the next chapter continues to be about the anointing which is number one. It is difficult to get an anointing. Amen. Now can you link this to your life practically, that it is difficult to get an anointing. Now what? When you link it to your life, what does it tell you? Why is it difficult? Ben, stand up. Why is it difficult to get an anointing? Because you are not that vessel and you are trying to become or get an anointing from a vessel, you have to become a vessel type so. That you. You. Can put on the anointing so you work your way together anointing and it's not easy. Yes, Larry. You see what I'm saying is that when you take the book Mega check and you read this chapter, it's difficult. Then you have to now link it to yourself. Practically, is it difficult? It's very difficult. Why is it difficult? What is difficult? What are the difficulties for me today practically that will protect me from getting becoming anointed. What are the difficulties? Yes, visual, I think it's. Difficult because it requires humility, and humility is a difficult thing. If I'm to explain. You decide to follow like Elijah decided to follow Elijah. I mean, first of all, he had to give up, bomb his business and follow what he would eat. I mean, just decide to be close, you know, And Elijah was even trying to suck him, but you. Know it requires a. Lot of humility and I think that's where the difficulty is. Eric Jonas book, he was talking about the mantle that that cloak which is dirty. It's not nice, but it is when you have been able to put it on that, you know, you, you attain a certain level. And then where he saw the different doors, I mean, when he got to one of the people, so the door that he didn't really want to enter, that was where the glory was. So I think the humility that makes it very, very difficult. So. Look around and see if are these people humble? Look, turn around, are they? I'm kind of standing here, come and standing where I'm standing. Do they look humble or proud? I think we are. Proud. We are proud. Proud. Yeah. Why? Do you say that? Because we are not following. You the way we should. Why do you say that? How can I be? How can? You say these people are. Not following me the way they should. They are all my sons because we don't have the same results. We are not even. Close Pasa Hamish. Is that the case? Come and come and help the. Debate, you see, we are we are trying to study the material that you have already. I'm not trying to teach you a new thing. I'm not pretending. Last year I taught you from a book. It was after I told you this book is from here today. I'm telling you the book from the beginning. The book is mega church and we are struggling with it. I I think that we don't. Have the results that you have. Because when? When? When when we look at our ministries and we compare to yours when you were at our level. We don't have the same results. When you were, I'm 33, when you were 33, I think you were, you were already a Bishop. I don't know. I just became a reverend. And even that, I'm not sure if it's because of fruit or because I've been around for a while, you know? Yeah, from Benin. Come and help the debates. You think it's difficult? Why do you think it's difficult When when I? Applied. Practically to myself, I think. I don't read. As much as you do. Have you been with? Me while I'm reading before No I've I've heard. You on the tapes talk about different books. MDL, Moody Smith. I've never read this. Book before. So I heard you mentioned the. I've not read this book before. Smith, Wigglesworth. I've never read this book before. I I. I was going to say Charles. We need to, but I'm not. Well, I'm I'm. At least I think I can mention Rick Joyner, but. But I I think I think I had. I didn't have a measure with join up. But. No. But but for for me, these people are people that I I heard their names from you on on on tips about raising the dead, about revivals. But personally I have not even. I mean looked at their. Lives at all, and I feel that perhaps that is what. Is. Actually making the anointing difficult. We are not. We are not seeing like the way you see. You're not thinking about the churches like the way you think about it. There's something that is that's what makes it difficult. I think that's for me, practically. So what does it mean? So you're. Just saying it's difficult. A lot of people want to speak. Yes, it's difficult. That one has got a lot of hands. Hands are going up. It's. Difficult. Yes. Yes, Bishop. Yesterday you mentioned something about advice and. Last year I. Remember you advised us about how we read the books and practically in my life, I feel that the advice that you gave, I have not followed the advice. How did what did I say? Because last. Year come this way so they can. See. Last year as you. Taught us from the books. We did not notice that you were teaching from a book that we had. Yes. OK. Until the end of the camp? End of the camp, Yes. So I feel that. You have said it and you have told us, but we I, let me say it for myself, that I think that I don't follow the advice. If so, I should. Redistribute what? Those who are reading it to those who are not reading. Isn't it no Bishop? So advice. You see once again the spirit of counsel. You don't receive it. It means the anointing bumps off like the and goes off straight and you will want me to lay hands on you. And I say I will not lay hands on you. You what? My hand in my pocket. I lay hands on anybody. I'm not going to lay hands on anybody. You'll be there, and I'll also be. Here this is the. Anointed. Council understanding wisdom is coming. When it hits you pop. It goes back because you have made yourself hard ground. It bounces off. Who else can? I explain that Napoleon. Michelle, I think that I was listening to Andus and you made a statement. He said that he heard me and if I will have another one like me. Or I mean you can. Do what I'm doing. And I began to think about it, that what have you been doing? And I noticed that all that you've been doing, you've documented it is in the books, but it's like we've not accepted it, that this is what you've been doing. You think that we are not? Accepting it? What are we accepting? I I in fact. That made me took the decision. That. Maybe 100% of my materials, everything from you. I'm not looking elsewhere. I think that people are looking so many places. There's no concentration, concentration. Is this in the book? Which? What key? What number is it? Number what #8 What does it say? Use the secret of. Concentration. So I I thought. That we know just a bit of what you are doing and a bit of other people's ministries. So we are not really becoming you, no. No, you have to become me. But if you can't follow, if you are following something because me, the people that I'm following, I can see that I am entering what they are doing. If I take Kenneth Hagin is somebody that I've followed for years. I can see the ISI convention I had for ministers all over the world. We had about over 3000 ministers from Francophone countries, pastors all what's happening here passed every single person in the Kodesh pastor. That's what. We've been there together. Kenneth Hagins Ministry. It's not even something that I planned, but when it happened, then I realized that it's the same thing that Papa Hagen was doing. You understand, I saw. That I was planning. I'm planning to do what he did. But as I do, then I suddenly noticed that what he did is what I'm doing. Yeah. Then you start to. Notice it is miracles as I've been following Ben hints specifically because of miracle and I can see myself in it exactly. I'm having the Crusades, the last crusade. I had 320,000 people attendance on the last night. One single night I'm seeing it. Practically. So what I'm following, I'm actually following and seeing it practically, walk into it practically. So when, when the when? When we look at ourselves, we realize that we are following something, but we are not following it in a way that you can actually experience it. And I think what the brother is saying is true. Now maybe you'll follow, but there is, there is, there is, there is a there is not that desire strong enough to make us follow in such a way. Yeah. So we don't, we don't actually see it. Are you with me? Yeah. Well, any. Anything. That I've followed, if it's Fred Price, I've followed him in such a way that you, you, you may think that's why. That's why when I talk about practical things, the reason why I talk about the research and so on is that, look, let me know. Let me know when you see me talking about this. There's a theoretical side of me, super theoretical, but this one is practical. So it's not that I cannot do that. So when when you see me following somebody, you may think that I don't know about others, but I know, yeah. And and and I can. Preach in such a way you think I've never been to school and I can preach in such a way you know that I've been to school. But I think that. It's a reality. If you ask. I'm preaching myself. I realize that it's true. Whatever I followed, I've followed the time and entered it and seen it. Yeah, I wouldn't. Be surprised if. Jesus appears to me one day in a vision. If it happens, then I'll be able to also say that because those aspects, I have not yet seen it. Yeah. I mean, I can see this. I'm following that. It's like it's not. So that is where that thing idea comes about. Modified anointing or hopefully Jesus is going to appear to me very soon. Yeah. And you will still I'll be standing. Here telling you that in the third vision where Jesus appeared to me, he said this and this and that and that and that He told me that, this and that and that in the third vision. Yeah. Well, I will be. Explaining this in my third vision of Jesus where he said this and this and I explaining this I have not yet seen, but it's possible. I don't want to make up then I will be able to even say that you see even this aspect. I follow the thing. It has even come to this. So the topic that it is difficult to get and when you think about, you ask yourself why is the what is the difficulty with you? And somebody brought up somebody was the first person to speak. Who was it? What did you say? Humility. No, the very first person. Then you said what? The vessel. Has to change, but that vessel is not changing. Because a lot of the things. You see, when you want, if you want to analyze somebody, if somebody was writing about me, the person who really write, the person who write, oh, he's like this, he's this, he's this one of the thing person who says was choleric, whatever and so on. A lot of the things that have been done without a choleric type. Of immediate. Action flow and it doesn't happen so. If you are phlegmatic. You have to change it. Yesterday I will tell you the destructiveness of phlegmatism. It's part of the most deceptive things that you will think that the person is very nice and all that, but the person is actually spoiling the ministry. It's true. Killing me. Softly, it's true, so that doesn't. Insist this anybody else? Yes, James. Stand and speak very quickly. Gentlemen, I think you can go back to your seat. Thank you. Bishop once I. Also learnt from reading Rick Jonas book is the fact that he said that the most difficult part in the Lord is in dealing with us, in conquering us. I think the word is like I have to conquer you before I'm able to use you. I think that was a kind of something that the Lord said, that before you can use a man, he has to conquer him. And with the principle of vessel change and humility some time to simply accept a fact, you know, like a childlike mind to lay your own thinking and just follow, you know, instead of trying to experiment your own. Again, following somebody who have gone that far. You know, I think that is the area of following somebody's having a mind that has been conquered, that you are just simple. You are easily LED, easily entreated, I think. Are you easily LED you? Practically, are you easily LED? No. Bishop so I should redistribute? The money to you when you are not being LED, why do you say you have not been? If it's a bad thing, why do you continue to do it and be able to confidently hold microphone and say I'm not easily being LED? Why do you do that? Why are you doing that? Pastor Richard, take a microphone and ask him. Why? Why you are doing something? You know it's bad and you are doing it and you are saying it. Why? Yeah, it's like something that is very negative. You know it's negative and you are asked and you confidently say that. I mean, why? So why are you like that? Why have you been that way? Bishop? I just. Pray for the grace. So, yeah, and I think it's good that I even hopefully say it to say that, you know, being conquered, you know, it's really lean having just a child like mind and then just follow, you know, concentrate fully. And I just pray for the grace have. Not been easily laid. Is there any area in your own life? Yes. The like golf, let me just ask I'm not. I don't think I'll follow Bishop in that regard. When I talk with some of my friends concerning that I see try to put one or two reasons why I've not started and which may not because like I've not seen the connection and I don't need to understand before I simply obey let somebody. Help him to get a connection. Come stand, take your mind. We are trying to help ourselves. How do you think God will help this particular man? He has stayed in your house before, isn't it? You know him. Give me two or three things that you think may help. Who has been to Sierra Leone before to? Visit Pastor James. In his church. Stand up stand up pastor. Nee anybody else stand up? You've been to visit him before and OK, how do you think he said golf? He has not been able to follow in that in any way. Just give one point that you think that may help him. I I, I would answer the question by even using myself. I mean, when I was about to start full time, I had analyzed, you know, the Bishop's life and seen that he had gotten to a point where having. You. Know the ability to sit down, to have personal interaction with him for some time was almost impossible now because of so many things that he's not involved in. And I'd realize, you know, that one of the ways was by being with him, you know, when he was playing golf. I saw that even before I entered full time. So I took a personal decision when I was coming to train, you know, to learn how to play golf when when I started, I just moved into that and it gave me the opportunity to be able to have some time of interruption. So that is one practical thing that if you ask me how benefited and I think that I often when I travel to places and the pastors are not playing G1 of the things I tell them that when Bishop comes around, you know, there is something that if you don't take time, a lay pastime may benefit, but you the full time pastor would never benefit from. But if it comes to a place and in your church, you have a full time pastor, you don't play golf and then your assistant, we say and lay pastor plays golf. He would go to the golf course with that person and play golf, be with that person for one hour, 2 hours the whole day, the whole day talk about this and then the whole day, you know, you the full time pastor would miss out entirely on that. So this which aspect of the book in the leadership is that that you'll be with the person for the whole day, open the chapter and value every moment in the presence of a great. Leader value everyone. Say read it. What do you value every moment in the? Presence of a great leader which? Which? Which you can see because you are not a good leader, you don't value such moments. It has no value. To you, you see why you are a bad leader. It has no value to you. OK, that's only one. Thing Mary in what way do you think it may help him from your knowledge of him Mary Lulu do you also go to Sierra Leone yeah just just whether you play golf or not do you is there any way in which you think it may help practically if. Any of you don't say? I will say. I think. That playing the. Golf, I mean himself, how it may benefit. James for Ocano practically that may help his life. It will help him to. Interact with other people also. Well, he doesn't interact now. Oh, I'm sure he. Does but he? It would spread. Next. It will. Improve his thinking. His thinking? Yes. Does he not think well? No, it will. It will be. Better if does he think? Well, to you, you're afraid. OK, next, next present. Because of the fear of God, you don't play yourself. So, yeah, but do you think there's any way that he needs help? Is there any way that he needs help? Yes. What help does he need? I think that if he begins to play golf. You meet kind of people who would not he who he will not meet in church. But OK, all right, sit down. Next, I'm not. Asking you to give me the. Benefits of Gov I'm saying this particular person, what does he lack that you can get? Well. Just on the line of what Pastor Selassie was saying, in Sierra Leone, there are a lot of people, we saw a lot of UN cars, people obviously coming outside from, from outside the country. And I see a certain I just, I've not been, I've been to the golf course just once in my life. But I saw the type of people who are likely to be going to the golf course, whom he's likely to meet, witness to. Them, some of them will come. To church, some of them just relationships. And then also Bishop mentioned something about health. No, forget about that, OK. Obi, is there any, is there any point in the book linkage to the book? You said he may meet certain type of people. Does he have such people in your church? UN the UN people and those kind of top shots, do they come to your church? Practically, they come for visits. Once in a while, but they don't stay, you see. You, all of you are big to say. You are not saying the thing Well, well, Bishop, what I thought was interaction with the greats because it also gives you a different life perspective. When I came there, I mean the people I saw, you know, where, you know, accuse me to say experience the common people, you know. And I I think being in charge of the whole country, you know, you, you should also be able to interact with, you know, rich people interact with great people, people in authority, people in good position. Is there any way, is there any linkage in the book acting with the great? Well, what, what chapter is it? Chapter What and what is the title of the chapter? Chapter 2. #2 interact with the greater the small. So when you saw he's just interacting with the small, Yeah. Where from our? Assessment I think the structure of the place of worship. What about you? You as? A person what? What? Jefferson What? Do you think he as a person needs you as a person? I think what does he need? I think you need to raise your image. You need to raise your image. Because it's like when you talk and things you want to do, there are always small nebulous things, you know? And when you raise that image, I mean, like, I've been to Nigeria, I've been to the governor a couple of times and I've met people who, you know, I met. What church is that? KICC the, the, the pastor there, you know, even telling me, oh, he just played yesterday with his pastor from, from London, Matthew Ashmul. And it's like you meet people and people who you can interact with. I've met people who own companies, you know, so like even trying to get jobs for some of my missionaries and things like that. So going there, I mean, you certainly meet people. What is your, what is your educational background? What is your educational background? James Teacher's certificate and. BSEB. SEBSEBS. E in what and Agric education. Agric Education. At where? Which school? Jala University. OK. So I think even the golf course there, I mean that could also put you in some educational level. Therefore he stayed in your house. Is he able to interact with the small and the great or the small? Is he able to interact with the small? I mean, I think that. Basically, that is one challenge that you need to look at because no, no, no, you see you people. That's why we don't get anywhere. No, we don't link the thing. This is this, this is this. So with parambulations around and around and the man is standing here, either we help him or we cannot help him. You understand, because he's here, he's the national leader. His main interaction is with a certain type of When he came to stay in your house, what revelation did you experience? The revelation is his inability to relate, you know, with. Great people. The book about. Growing your influence. Read the point. What's the .54 it says that? Eight groups of people you must. Influence. What's the chapter called? Grow in your influence. Grow in your influence as a national leader. He must be by now at least, if you know even some parliamentarians, ministers, Jesus knew. Rich. People he knew leaders in the community. What are the eight people that you. Must eight people. That you must do what? Eight groups of people you must. Influence. Number one older. Men younger. Men, older women, younger women, servants, poor people, rich people, Leaders see. It's only the book. Oh, clearly it's there. You link it to yourself and ask which rich people do I influence? It's part of your. Your job. You said one day he came to. Stay in your house. He went to sleep somewhere. You see, you don't say all these things, you know that is like. The thing is not. Practical. It's not linked. And and. I, I, I think that confidence, you know, to, to have to have confidence in himself because when he was living with me honestly, some of the attitudes, you know, in terms of not. Being able to be. Himself say what he thinks, you know, even ask what things could be done for him. I, I, I found it a little disturbing and as I've not been able to relate with the great and also not having confidence, you need to develop your confidence and it comes by relating reading, you know, improving. He said one day he went somewhere and he slept somewhere. What happened? He, he, he, he, let's go for breakfast. Let's go for breakfast. The points are no. One day he was. He was. Staying with me and I I've actually even forgotten exactly what happened, but OK, thanks. I think that what we are doing. What we are doing is not humiliating. We are helping one another. That's why we should say that. That's a practical example. If it's you who say it, this is what I'm saying. So he says, so that we can all have I not used you to. Laugh at you at a camp before there are camps you can hear. For that I start. I just break out the laughter. You see, so I think. That it is. I mean, I think that pastor cannot say it's over humility, which therefore has negative, a lot of negative effects. Like you told us that he came to stay in your house and he went out when he came, came a little late. He had locked the door instead of knocking and ringing the bed when to sleep in an uncompleted house across the road. They didn't notice it because he didn't want to disturb my house. No, while you're a Springer in Ghana, he got to super was. Very. Worried he came the morning he came home when I came to a sleep. I don't want to disturb you, so I want to sleep in an uncompleted house across the. ROAD, OH, is that the case, Pastor? James, there's something. Wrong with that. You see, as a person. You see, when we talk about the vessel must change, you see there's something wrong with that or the person. It's not a national leaders mentality. No national leader will go and sleep in an uncompleted house on the cement floor, without roof, without whatever, just because you don't want to disturb your hosts when you are an international guest. There is something wrong with that. So all these things you see, they, they. So playing golf will make you. I'm not saying golf is not. It's just one example. It's not as though golf is God or golf there's nothing. But there are things that you can see as a person. That's why you cannot be a national leader. Yeah. And and you may say, oh, I don't have. The anointing, the anointing. I've been soaking in the tape, trying to preach it. There's more to it. There's more to that. Has far. Both anointing and so on and what we are trying to limit it to. I listen to the tape and I preach it exactly with the same. I use the same examples and all that. So you see you. At your person, the human being needs some improvement, yes, but you see, when you are advised, you may not take the advice, so you don't receive the spirit of counsel. It bounces off ship back back to sender. The thin cable a hit the top back with reason you don't understand. You see, in my case, you see this, you see that That is it. That's a commonest reason. For somebody who does so that's anointed is counsel. Spirit of counsel it comes back Wisdom what to do my own back understanding you don't read the book will be given to you don't meditate my own back knowledge information facts my. Own. Back. So all my efforts are trying to get you to understand, to know, to learn, to believe, to become greater. You become greater where you are. You become what you can become. Not that I will become, but you will become who you can become. So if you refuse it, and that's what I say, that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Since Ghana became independent, we've been getting poorer all through the revolutionary era and all this period that we have democracy and so on. We have been getting poorer and poorer and poorer and poorer. And we are poorer now than ever before. We are poorer than we have ever been. Yeah. Because. Certain. Things don't change. Are you with me? So. Brothers and sisters. So that's. So that's why how hopeful it will make sure you say I don't have I'm not Bishop has anointing certain people even though you may not see certain governmental. People or certain whatever. I am very connected all over the place. Yeah, Very, very, very connected in any of the governments and these people come or these people come. I have ways with all of them. It's true and at. That point give him a. Mic OK Jeff, sit down because when he. Mentioned maybe his education or whatever. Maybe he feels he can relate. But the book says they relate with all kinds of people, including people who are not your type. Not your type what? Type is he? Maybe he feels that. Maybe he's not a type who normally goes to a golf course or whatever, but he must learn to flow with Doctor Interfol and. Is it somebody? Who sleeps in an uncompleted? What type of people sleep in uncompleted houses? Homeless squatters? Destitute vagabonds. I mean people without jobs. People. I mean, they're the lowest type of whatever stays in uncompleted houses. What pajamas will you wear over there? So you see pastas. Yeah, so pastas, you see that the thing, it takes a bit more than you may think. It's just at least I'll soak in the taper, then I'll become something. The vessel. You see what Ben said, The vessel, it's not changing to correspond with a certain type of anointing. It's true. You've got to change the vessel. Amen. So. That's why it's difficult. It's difficult. Why else is it difficult? Yes. Will you, Bishop? I think it's difficult. Because going for the anointing faces a direct challenge on our characters. So for example. You know, the ability to be. Disciplined and to continuously because we are taught that the anointing is a hard thing so the ability. To persevere consistently for a long period of time until something is absorbed. Because sometimes one gets started by the ability to even finish until you see it. Because we all have certain character disabilities, if I may use that word. Maybe for example, if you are somebody who has a problem with the opposite sex, you have a track record of always being involved. Not necessarily you sleep with the women, but there's always a story linking you with some mishap or so on. And so that can be a challenge because God, I mean, from my point of view, in terms of that placing the anointing on you, that character disability can be a problem for the anointing to come. And it can always be a discouragement to you because just as you're about to rise out of it, then another trap comes again, you fall down again. And that can be a discouragement in there so other many other character disabilities that we are struggling with. And that can be a direct challenge on the anointing and chasing it. Amen. So your character that can, but especially the point about the discipline to maintain the persistence in something until you for a long time, yeah. Pisa Bishop, there's. Something that you said. About the temperament that I think is you said that your ministry ends at your, I mean at your temperament. And if I've been thinking about that and even when you're talking about phlegmatism, that how can I change to become a certain kind of forceful person to make the church work? So I, I think that that's one of the difficulty poses. So I'm, I'm still trying to discover how I can change myself to be, you know, like acquire certain. I know that you can flow in all but some some of them because of the natural how you were born. They are apparent so so I I I feel. That your temperament. Also limits you and can affect the way you can acquire the anointing even the person that you are following it can. It can, I mean. See, I say something. Yeah. OK. Very good. Yeah. Pastor Sam Last, I'm talking about the. Persistence or the anointing is put to use. I remember you used the story of the five foolish virgins in steps to the anointing when they were axed by the other the five wise virgins when they were asked by the foolish ones for extra oil and you said you shouldn't partake in other men since. So I realized that on the concentrating and going to to the point where the anointing can be put to use, you come across things that may look like. Nice and kind. And OK, but you said in the book that certain things can prevent you giving oil to somebody to. A friend who? Doesn't have. It may look like a good thing, but if you do so, you'll be deprived of what you need, one that's required most And that that ministered and ministers to me very, very personally, not partaking in other men's. Who have you been giving oil? To. I think. I will link it to another. Thing you said in another book. Who have you been giving oil to? Don't. Don't give another. Book. I have a lot of points here I want to give them. I think. Other. Men, I mean other. People you see it's. Not linking to something practically, so we cannot get the practical revelation if somebody can help. Me in a book about avoiding. Distraction avoiding number. What? When? You mentioned that you mentioned the number because now the leadership we are taking it like loyalty. You said that phrases you quote it like that is number 46 and then you know that avoid this one is avoiding distraction that we are using 6262 it's called what avoid distraction. Avoiding distraction. Yeah, things that distract. Amen. Even when Obama was coming, I thought that somebody was going to call me, some other was going to call me, that maybe I should come and all that. So I put my phone aside so that I would not get such a call. What am I, Obama? What is it? It has no use to my life. To me personally, all these things are useless. I'm going to stand there sheepishly as one of them. You should have seen them. People who don't smile were smiling. Every day we see them on TV. They don't smile, but that day all their teeth we saw. I'm sure they all went to the dentist before Obama came. A good leader. Avoids distraction. OK, so the anointing, the rest of you have a chance to talk later. It's difficult, but these are one of the reasons why it's difficult. People are not humble. When you give advice, people don't take it. They don't follow it. So later you say, I've been listening to tapes. Some don't listen to tapes. They'll be listening to so many different things. Some don't even know what they're actually following. So you, you, you have to have a particular aim. Yeah. Amen. OK. Then you must have a strong desire. So I I remember listening to Benny Hinn and he said something you know, he said that one of the reason things that gives the anointing is hunger, spiritual hunger, you know, and that scripture blessed are they that hunger and tests after righteous and they shall be filled. So it is, God anoints the desirous people with desires for the thing. So you need to be filled with such a persistent and strong desire. Amen for the anointing. Amen. Are you there? OK, so now steps to the anointing. And we are talking about understanding this whole thing better so that we can become more anointed. And the first step to the anointing is the principle of vessel change, that the vessel has to change, Amen. The vessel, the person, the person has to change. Amen. Are you there now? It's so important that we change according to the gift and the grace of God that we desire and that we are working towards. It's so important. Do you get it? It's so important. And without that you will never be able to carry it because to carry Coca-Cola you need a Coca-Cola bottle. And so you have to become changed from a clear pot or a plain water bottle to a red colored bottle before Coca-Cola can be put into you. Otherwise you never qualify OK to carry coke because you are a water bottle. Oh, you are a cocoa cup. OK, so you are never used for Coca-Cola because the vessel has not been modified. Perhaps this is the one and the greatest step to becoming anointed. Is only this one the change? Yes, and I don't know what else to say about this particular point. This message continues on. The next track, Keep listening.