06. Questions & Answers

Welcome to track number six of Break Forth and become who You can Become. Relating to either what has been said or any other area of concern to you. Now if you don't have any area of concern, then you don't have any business being here. In other words, if there's you don't have any talking to somebody that has asked that you have any problem in life. So I don't have any problem. I said you're a very great person, but a person has a very good pastor. But I know his pastor, I know his pastor has a lot of problem. He's a pastor, has a lot of problems. So I don't that one, I do, I accept. But anyway, so this is a forum, you know, it will be unfortunate to leave this place with questions and answered in your mind. So I believe that's Bishop ministers and so on. Many questions will be answered, but also we want to sort of either preempt or just start off by asking any questions, any issues on your mind that need clarification or discussion or bothersome issues. All right, so now the floor is opened. Anyways, any questions to ask and then we carry on from there just shortly for a short while. All right, don't feel sleepy too early, Simon. All right, Where do you think you're going? OK. You want to ask a question? Yeah. Ask for those who want to ask questions. OK. Is anyone have any question at all? Please ask them straight on, quickly and so on. And we carry on from there. OK. When I mention your name, now you realize that you have a question. The ho. Uh huh. Yes, please. When you stand up, you mention your name and then the church you are calling from. So we will know who you are. OK. Yeah. Please. Emmanuel from Chief of Praso. Emmanuel Bed from Chief of Praso. Yes, please. OK. And Bishop made mention when Reverend interfol with our pastor and then he said that he has low confidence and he should build confidence in himself in order to be able to relate to the great. And I would like to know how does 1 build self-confidence without and also not being seen as proud or overconfidence? OK, very good. Now I said Question Time. The answers should be given by all the Bishop elects. I'm not the one. So since Reverend Terrible who said that let's ask Reverend terrible to help us to please can you bring the mind to how to build self-confidence that will not become pride. He has a lot of reason. Can share yourself OK. Hallelujah. I I think first and foremost we should make a difference between being confident, confident and being proud. The the two are different, you know, but being confident, I believe it's about having courage, boldness, being able to express what you think you want to express, being able to communicate well, you know, and, and, and, and all that, because often there's a other side of being too humble, which is the other side. And, and you don't, that doesn't allow you to really achieve anything. How do you build confidence? I think that number one, by relating, you know, with people so that when you relate to people, you know how to conduct yourself. You know, you know how to how to speak, when to speak, even when you are speaking, how should you go about it? If you have something to say, how do you say it? You don't just open your mouth and say it anyhow, but how do you say it? It also comes to, I believe, learning, reading, listening, you know, and then fellowshipping with people and also looking at people who are ahead of you and how they carry themselves and, and all that. So I think that there's no one way but a combination of ways, but to know that it is important, you know, it is important for you to be able to have confidence in what you are, you are, you are, you are doing. It helps you to sort of do what you should do, you know, and sometimes you may not know something and you think that you know, and it's only when maybe you also speak up that you can even be corrected so that next time, you know, when we are saying that same thing or when you are sort of presenting that same thing, now you are sure how to go about it. But I want to reiterate again that being confident, you know, is different from being arrogant or haughty or proud. I think Joe wants to add a few things. Then we go on, yes, OK, in relation to this, OK, Patrick, the chapter in the book. All right, so who is the chapter? Pastor Kayla said there's a chapter in the book, the act of leadership. OK, Finally, Pastor Obi, as we go on, I I think one very important area. One very important step in knowing you, in being self confident, is to know your worth, that you are valuable because sometimes you think that. You are valuable. Sometimes you may think that, oh, I'm nobody, I'm just hidden in the corner of this place. I don't matter. And it makes you have an inferiority complex, which makes you hideaway from the limelight, from the, from seeing your true value. So when you know that you are, you are. Of value in this House. You are not a nobody. It makes you more confident, able to knock on doors and enter into places where you really belong. Yeah, Very good. Thank you very much. Is it in? We don't want to stay on one issue for a long time, so let's have one or two contributions and we'll move on from there. Yeah, I think just adding to what Reverend Patrick was just saying, what I also realise is in that area you need to overcome the voice of the accuser actually. Because depending on sometimes, depending on your background and, you know, experiences you've had, Satan can take advantage and really accuse you in secrets that you are nobody, you are nothing. Just as you say those things you know, and it keeps registering until you believe and so you you need to identify what is the enemy saying about me and then overcome it with the truth of the word of God. And then you're able to arrive at your as you say, like yourself, value, you know, and also to strengthen yourself, really believe what God says you are that you are, and then you become in. Nigeria before so that's that's that's he built up his confidence no confidence in Nigeria. They will kill you all right yes last 10. Sorry, OK. I think that confidence building self-confidence is also building yourself in the Word of God, because if you know what God says about you, you just believe it and act as though it is true, for example. The Bible says that we're seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, far above all principalities and powers and everything. You must believe it, and you must talk as though you are seated there. So if you're truly seated there, then there is nobody you can meet who should be above you. And you would deal with people like that if you really believe God's Word and you take it as it is. All right. So, yeah, linking the thing. Is he All right? Last one. First. First, first. Hey, not really. OK. Yeah. So I think that being confident, generally all the points are relevant. And sometimes it's it's just, you know, Bible talks about when they wanted somebody to take the place when soul was being turned by evil spirit. And they said that they wanted somebody who can come and then occupy a certain position in source office. Now, what are the qualifications? What is it that qualifies a person to come into the King's palace? Seven said that there's a man, there's a son of Jesse who is prudent in matches, a warrior, a brave man and skillful and good looking. And God is with him and they brought him that's infest somewhere. Chapter 17 Now those qualities qualifies you to sit in the King's palace. You know, you must be. First of all, he was good looking and he's dresses well. He's prudent. He knows how to speak. Be honest. If you know how to speak, you come close to kings. It's skillful. In other words, what he does, he does very well and also God is with him. Now those are the things and it's also his son. Therefore he he had the point of reference. Now those type of things make you qualified to come close to a person. If I'm saying when you have these qualities, but I believe that some of the lack of confidence and all that's also I mean you you can be sometimes when put a relation with you, they do they will not even know whether you are heads because it's like, oh, maybe beers in a rash. I won't say hello to you in this rash enough and so on. Next time you so when I say Bishop was it wasn't nice to me so I won't get close anymore. It is it is it is a little below the belt. Do you follow? I don't use the actual description that I want to, but it's it's also lack of self-confidence that will make you feel that anytime feel somebody didn't mind you and so on. You lack confidence because the person may not even have seen you do what I'm saying. So build. Some people are naturally confident, like Reverend TEFL, you know, he's naturally confident. You just flow. Some also have to build it into yourselves. I mean, we have to build into ourselves so that we can make approaches and make move moves. Do you follow? All right. Yes, Pastor Uzi. It's about the the national headquarters situation. If I'm sent somewhere to start a church, and I mean now we realize that some places are not up to standard. So is there any guidelines? For instance, if you are going to a nation as the first person and if you are going to a region as the first person there, is there any minimum or area where you can put your church? Is there any guideline or you should just use your discretion? I mean, you want you have sent to a city, a country to start a church, Where to locate your church, Yes. Physically way to so that you can attract the right kind of people. The right kind of. The right image. So what's your mind? Since you are giving kind, you have image, you have kind of people. So what what what? What picture do you have in your mind? Well I'll I'll look for a place that is not too expensive but still easily accessible. Went to India. What's your mind? You're interested in India? Try and answer the question for us. I think I remember when I was leaving, there was one advice Bishop asked me that I should try and find out where I can settle. That is very important, where I can settle and be. So first I looked at Delhi, which was the capital. But I realized that also to do with Christianity wasn't a good place. So I also went to Mumbai. I realized that was very expensive and it was so difficult to find halls also because of the population in Mumbai. So close to Mumbai was Pune, which was like a city that has come out of a city that has come out of Mumbai like Tema this year. So I was able to settle there and I looked at the prices. And also because they had a good university there, a lot of the people came from various places and because they came from various states, English was the language rather that was spoken there. So it's easier to communicate and also easier to, you know, start. So I was able to, I mean, use that. And definitely as we have Reverend around so that we can also speak to them, get the advice, what are the factors? What are the factors to look for in establishing a check? You shouldn't go to necessarily the slum, slummy areas, place where there are so many people but no place. I mean really, I mean, you can't live there like a place where the people from you and you come and visit and not go and not come back. You know, I'm saying at the same time. So you do establish it at the airport areas of some places where nobody can even travel to come. So you look at the the average. I mean, whatever your city is, look at the average and so on. Look at all class of people who can or we expect to come to the church. The church basically only poor people or most of the time 80% centers will be poor people. But then we don't want 100% poor people. You get some two or three rich people know their offerings alone can be can, can make up for the 90%. But the poor people will, will respond to the gospel. So, but at the same time, we don't have to go to areas where now everybody's afraid or scared to come to the church. Anybody else, a car cannot come to the church. This is what I'm saying. That type of how like how can a church where the place it was before Passobi went, you know, those type of situations, it will not help the church in any way at all, right? So look at, of course, average, average, the place where you feel. OK. All right. Any other question? Yes, yes, your name and where you're calling from. I'm Jamel from Asan Kregua. OK, I just wanted to Reverend said he was going to tell us the difference between confidence and the pride. I just wanted to find out the pride part of it so that it can it can help draw the line so. Great. Are you proud? No, I don't. I don't know. I I can't really tell if I know now that I can. No, straight away I'll say word for you. Please send the mic to Reverend Tofu to answer that question for us. I think pride is manifested in being presumptuous. You know, also even the way you talk, the way you relate with people, looking down on them, you know, sort of feeling that, yes, it's a teaching. You got Reverend Steve's ISI. That's what Bishop Hadi just said, and it's true. No, no. I mean, it's a very big question different between pride and confidence. You start talking about it's not going to be easy now, All right, So we want to talk about practical issues relating to the church, the ministry, where we are and so on. We want to go pray there. It's not going to be the series. It's not going to be easy here. All right, Any other yes, yes, yes, yes. Question. Who are you calling from? I'm Sam Sawyer from Zambia. I want to ask a question concerning relating with the great and the small. How far come again, thanks to camera, how far? How far do you relate with the great to the extent of preventing yourself from potential political problems in the country like I have? I have an example to give. My wife and I reference to a former first lady. There are about four or five of them, so one of them and she had, how do you call it, a situation in her house? And I discovered later, but if I discovered immediately, I should have gone to visit. But later I realized it was the hand of God because I saw that those who had come to visit, they were all in the front page because of a status, the cameraman and all those. I sometimes wonder whether at a point some of this publicity helps. I just want an advice on how far do you interact without also entering into, let's say issues like over exposing yourself at the wrong time. So please, Bishop Adi. I think the whole thing is an open forum, so anybody who has an idea should should own up. It's not like I'm sitting somewhere with with all the answers. So I'll throw the question. The question is to the whole church. Is that not so? No, that's not so. I think, I think OK. What I think is that when we watch our father, we realize that although he's here, he's in his own country. He does not take himself into the political arena to be seen to be so friends with one group of people. But you can hear him say that he's connected to both. If these people come to power, he's he's there. But you never see him maybe openly meeting Rollins. I've known he's had many invitations to have dinners with President Rollins and so on. But it's like when you are not in power, that's when you are inviting. When you come to power, you don't invite. So it's not like I don't, I shouldn't be seen as courting just one side publicly taking your face. But if you know like you can be like Nicodemus and and relate Nicodemusly, but you are still very well connected. That's what I think. Yeah. And I think it's very important that in relating you are not publicly identified with any group of persons or people or faction. You know, I think it's very important so that nobody can, nobody would tag you because when they put A tag on you, it's not going to be easy. It's when they put A tag on you, you're going to doing that before the last election. So many of the present candidates, they want to see him, they want to come here and so on. And you would see that even in our church, we relate with there are people there. We may not know everybody, but a few important people there who we do not necessarily. Caught or we are not always in their homes as it were. We pastor them, we talk with them when after chair we say hello to me and so on. But you will not see us driving to their homes and their best friends with them. In a certain sense, this is that that also compromises your message when you seem to be subject or submitted to a supposedly big person and so on. So if they happen to be in your church, treat them as normal people. Of course, give them respect that ought to. But when we have functions and so on in church, you don't invite any minister to come and say hello or bring greetings and so on. If you come and attend, you have come. But if you have pastor from another church, you call the person, say hello. Because our friends are pastors, not politicians. Politicians can wave to you and then that's all right. You see, So we, I think that that's how we relate to the Greeks. And so we let, as I said, when we need help, we can call them because they also call when they need help. But we don't ask them. We don't even make them feel that we need them so badly and so on to the extent that they would, they would then dictate other things. All right, OK, so this first lady, if it's your church member, you can help. But of course, God give you wisdom by reading history. Oh, those guys chat with first ladies. All right, any other question? Yes, yes, yes. Ben from Bali. Where's Bali? Bali is in the northern region, northwestern part of the northern region. OK. Close to what? In outlining the steps to the anointing, I think Bishop mentioned being a servant and then at one of the other points, receiving someone as a father. And when you receive the man of God as a father, you become a son. So I just want to know that dividing line, at what point do you move from servant hood to sonship? That's the. Question. You don't move. You don't move at all, You understand? Are you married? Are you a husband? Then are you a pastor? Have you moved from me, a pastor, to your husband, Your husband? You are a pastor. You are other things. So it's all they say. You can be say many things in one person. So it can be a servant, can be a son, can be a friend, it can be a whatever, all of it. I am bishops. I am. I am his son. I'm his servant. I'm also his friend. I haven't moved. All right. Yes, yes. Your name and where you're calling from. I'm Pastor Morrison Adu from New Tafo, Eastern Region. My question is in relation with how to relate with the great and the small. As a missionary sent to a country or a place, you find out that wherever you you are, there are other passes around and sometimes you may need a help from one or two of them. So at what stage of one ministry should one begin to relate with the other pastors around? How to do the pastors? I think Reverend IE will help us with this question. Please microphone. I think the question is at what stage do you start related? I think as soon as you find it relevant to relate with anyone, I think you are free to relate. With anyone, I hope that you'll find it relevant at. What stage you find it when the need demands? What do you need when you find it necessary? I mean, it's not like you're going out of your way and important relationship. What to make it necessary? It depends on its peculiar so. In your peculiar situation in London, can you give it? Can you link it for us? I think I'm fortunate I may not be a good example for relating with people that around. Him no. I think you have a very good example in all areas, so please use yourself an example for us. At which stage I think probably what I wanted. When I want someone to come and preach in my church without a convention or something, I've not really had any particular need in that sense. I think I have good ministers in Lighthouse Chapel, I mean Bishop Saki, Bishop Padi, So most of my links and connections are with Shasaki, Bishop Adi, Pastor, Jake Pastor. OK, let me explain his question to you. His question is that he is said to New TAFO. There are so many churches and pastors in the town. There are pastors associations and all that, isn't it? So he has gone to start a church and be there. What should he do? They invited for meetings. They want to relate with him. What should what should he do? Oh OK, now I've asked a question. Do they? Invite you for meetings. Well, generally, generally, I mean, I do think there's any hard and fast rule as a, but I mean we don't really particularly join associations and that things like that. So if you have free time, you are free enough to go for any meeting like that. Yes, you are free. But I have not found that time all my life in in in London to join the association or to go for any of such. Meetings. Why? Because of concentration, isn't it? Because if Reverend Naive, because there's so many like churches Nigeria has been involved in, in all the suspense associations and conferences and seminars, you'll not be able to build anything. This is what I'm saying. And then they'll come and find you very anointed. What chapter is it? Instructions. OK, please read it for us. So avoid distractions 77 distractions a minister should avoid avoid the distractions that come from people who have not heard from God the way you have the. Way you have. Yeah, although many other people are ministers like myself, I realized that I am not on the same level. I do not do things just because others are green. Then avoid the distraction that comes by trying to compete. The destruction of phone calls, the distraction of force bedroom, the destruction of carnal leaders and people who are not committed as you are. Avoid the destruction of unproductive arguments and quarrels. I hate arguments and really have time to debate an issue. Avoid doing other people's jobs, you know, and probably also to add a little to that, I think that once again, looking at the Bishop's life as an example, many, many, many, for many years he was just like, you know, just there focused on lighthouse and just doing the work, you know, until got to a point that, you know, he started going out, people started inviting him and all that. So you just have to hide and flourish as a serpent so that as you are coming up, you don't expose yourself for for you to be killed by maybe other jealous pastors in town, you know, and and all that. So just quietly being there and developing and gradually things will come up naturally. Yeah. As Rev. Now you say don't. Don't also hurry to go and preach in people's churches because they'll feel that all you're from like towers. Yo Bishop your Mr. Son, Oh, come and preach and then they will you. You become popular, but you don't have any lasting ministry. Do you understand? Everybody will inviting you for an itinerant minister of a pastor. You'll not build anything. And every week every other we have an invitation to go and preach somewhere else. It doesn't help you see. So build what you have for many years, Bishop, every time you come to good landing and so on. You still with a little group, pray with them have come, comes and so on. It could have gone round, round, round, round. A time would come like a time has come when you cannot even meet up the invitations that come. But then for many years he would not honor any invitation. He would just stay with the little church in London and pray and preach and minister and be with the people. So. So that time will come. But if you hurry to be preaching around, you will not build anything substantial for, for the what's what you have been sent to the town here for what I'm saying. Yeah. So except you're an evangelist. You're an evangelist. Then you must go and then organize and be nice to you because you need everybody to have a crusade. But if you're a pastor, concentrate, be nice to the people and so on. And even if you join associations, don't be going, don't. You're the secretary general of what the situation and all that and so on. Some people have done nothing for it too. Yeah, don't have a nothing for it. They can be second. They can make all the treasure and these type of things is what I'm saying. So don't go and take up. You can join if, if need be, you can be a nominant, a nominal member, just a nominal whatever affair, but do not take a job, a position secretary, treasurer, standing for processing town, vice presidential candidate of GPC, running errands in a cry and all these type of things. All right. So we need, we need, we need concentration. Amen. To be able to build a real lasting thing. Morrison, have they been invited to go and preach? Sometimes we are very. We are very powerful. Yeah. All right, yes. Another question there. Another question. Let's take this question here. OK. Let's you answer gender balance. Right. Peter, what are you doing? What chapter is in the book? Peter. OK, check this. Don't turn it off, please. Hello. Yeah, Bishop, please, I just wanted to contribute to. That hello, can we have some some attention? Oh, my name is Irene Odessio from Abeka. I just wanted to contribute to the issue about relating to other pastors in your town. And you said that in exceptional circumstances you may have to well join an association or something. Well, in Mali what we found was that in in order to register the church, what the country recognises 3 religions, Islam, Catholics and Charismatics, before they were registered, you must be in one of these 3. So we had to join the Charismatics and then go through the process for registration. And then it also became helpful at the point when we had to invite other pastors to come for ISI that as members of this association, this our church which is doing this very powerful conference and would like to invite you. So that became then a door for us to reach the other pastors in the area. But other than just being in the association as nominal members and inviting them for the conference, we really had no other role to play. And so it was necessary to join them. But otherwise it didn't extend further than that. Very good, right? Yes, the Sahanda was up. Is it Pastor Paul? Right. Pastor Paul from Venezuela, I was just about to mention what Lady Pastor Arena has mentioned. When we had our group meetings in the Bishops Council. Pastor Leslie from Saint Lucia mentioned that in this country there's an association that you need to join if the church has to be registered. So I was going to mention that in East Lances where it's a requirement and it would aid the church registration or any purpose. Then in answer to our brother's question, then you'd have to join just for the sake of fulfilling all, all requirements in the country. But where you are going to be a member of an association that is going to be a distraction to you, wasting your time that you have no business doing that. Thank you all. Right, yes, two more. Yes, let's go. We we always have to link things, isn't it? I think the the link to your relation is very powerful, isn't it? The link you have there. This is a book and can link it to your life and to your ministry. That's the only way the book can come alive to us. Or what? We're here, yes. I'm in Octeta from Seshuba choir. OK. Please practically I want to ask in with relating with a great Yes please. How do you relate with a great without you hurting them and you also not allowing yourself to be hurt? OK. Enoch, have you been hurt before? Have you heard anybody before? Let's see the relevance of the question. Yes, as it happened. And is there any temptation that you've fallen? I mean, what? Why do you ask this question? There was a reason for the question. Yeah, I remember one time when I was in Accra, Yeah. Don't be afraid, I'll see everything OK. Yeah, I remember one time when I was in Accra at Mataiku, Reverend Ogo was he was my spiritual father. Actually, I got I got born again under, under him at Mataiko. And when I went to Bible school, I try, you know, making my way through to go to Reverend to say hello. Many times when I see him I try going around but whenever I go to him it's like. You don't feel the. Flu. Yeah. I don't feel. I don't really feel the flu. Not that I don't feel welcome, but I try. I try. I try going to him several times. I remember one time I when I went to Sashu Dekwai, I said to myself, I said reverend, I love. I don't know, but I love him. But I've been trying my ways. That day I took my food. I wanted to call him. I don't know. I said that I, I, I, I had on with my call and so how do you relate so that you feel that? And you got born again in, I mean, in his chair. Yeah, so. But they feel that the regime is not. Actually is not a house. You went to the rebel school. Yeah. You can't. Maybe that happened, but you just feel. That the relationship between me and him. OK, I'm far away from him. Have you asked? Have you asked him before, Reverend? Is there anything I've done? Is there any? Have you asked him before? No. Or you haven't had the courage to ask? I think Reverend ago is here. So let's work. The betting is was you and the pursuer. But I think you say something. OK. I think. Is is there anybody who has felt that before? I mean with somebody used to you close to, but the person seems to have, is there anybody like that you have felt that before you're afraid. OK, yes. I think I want to refer to cane crisis. Cane crisis? But on the most serious notes, I'm going to talk to him and get closer to him myself and give him a hug. But do do, do, do you feel any? What are you saying? Do you feel? Have you? No, they don't care to you. They don't care to you at all. I mean, I, I, I appreciate it and it, it makes me feel appreciated because it's not the typical reaction I get from many people. So it's it's powerful. Wow, that's nice. It's nice for somebody to once oh, this is my father and so on and then wants to be close. All right, so keep coming and don't get don't get hats. OK, You know, do you understand when you call him sometime? I don't remember some baby student. I'm I'm so if you went on a mission, then you got a mission is call me from I forgot who it is Bishop, please stop my numbers when I call, you know that I called who? Who is that? If you're here owner owner, you're the one you see. I don't even know the phrase. I don't say Bishop, please stop my number. That's when I cry. No where you from with town that mongo, that mongo. I said my my phone. My phone is full. I told him don't get tired of introducing yourself when you call. Don't get tired. Where you at? Why would you call again? Since since I today I haven't called again. Will be ahead. I'm sorry. OK. Crisis, right? Yes. Bishop, I'm Emmanuel Clutcher. I'm. Emmanuel Clutcher from Becky. All right. Bishop, realize the case. You've been sent out to start a church. You've gone there to start the church and you have an elderly person like your grandfather in the church. I remember Paul told Timothy that you should correct, rebuke and instruct and exalt. But here lies the case. And then he also he also gave another instruction that rebuke not and elder. And then here lies the case. Every situation, the situation that the situation that came up is it demands rebuke because no, please that there are there are there are things that demands correction. And I think there are things that demands rebuke because what what I'm saying is that this man is in my church when I'm preaching, he lifts up his hand and asks questions. And it's not once, it's not twice, you see, And there are young people in the church who you feel that they are receiving because of that, a lot of people that have to speak be speaking in tongues in the church now. Are not able to receive it even my duo came and you could see that the people are not able to receive because of this you know old man in the church that so and then there was another instance that that I warned that if you are preaching we are in the presence of God and we must respect God and then somebody a young person's phone rings and then I correct or rangs I correct the person and then the next time is the old man full you see so how do you go not that I've I've not rebuked him anyway but how. You're almost at a point to became him. So it's like when the young ones in the church, the young ones are wrong, you are able to come out and even tell them, you know generally that this is not correct, this is not right. But in the case of the old man, I've not been able to do anything or say in a plane please. Here lies the answer. I don't think it's a problem at all. The problem is that they they just like the young man. Can you beat them openly? The old man just tell him. I saw after church they just said no uncle whatever here lies the answer to your the case. You know, please engine check service. You have a new question when I'm preaching wait after the meeting you can ask me and then also I would you respect. Please kindly put your foot in silence or tenant of myself is going on. Because when the young people do it, I bring them check. But because of your age, I can't do it. So please do it this way. Thank you very much. God bless you. All right and look at him today. He did the church no problem, but should we as much as spent as you can, but do not rebuke him in public on based on on some of these type of things. All right. OK, so it's a problem. All right, Yes. Carl Desmond's drop on you have been sent on a mission and then you find out that there is a family lighthouse church in the town you've been sent to. And sometimes you see your members in town. When you ask them why they didn't come to church, pastor has visited them and told them that we all want people family lighthouse and lighthouse. You have one, one father. How do you go about that? And also I want to also ask when you have been sent on a mission and maybe somebody has already started something in the area and the person did not hand over their people to you. Maybe when you enter the town or something and then you go to. You can you be specific? Yeah, For example, in Japan, the Mangwa as a pastor, yes. When I came to the town, he called me one day and then told me, asked me that are you the Bible student who have been sent to Japan? And I told him that yes, I've been sent to Japan and I don't know. He said I shouldn't talk to his shepherd. If I if I want to talk to his Shepherd, I should actually speak to him before I can talk to a. Shepherd But where you have me saying to where else we're going to take over what the man was, the man was no. No manga says when you're going to akusumbo, that is where the akusumbo church is. So he told me not to talk to his shepherd. So I went to the town to actually look for souls myself. So I ended up talking to some of the people he he had already won. So for now, because he told me not to talk to and I didn't even go to see him, so I started doing evangelism. By the grace of God, I came across most of the people He was. He came across as chair members. Yes, yes, Carl. So, so I so now that it became a problem on Sunday when I'm going to church, I see that the shepherd have been sent to also come and pick some people from the police from from from drop on. So its like I'm passing and then they also here and the lighthouse they have a because I have no so I guess that I don't have money like the they have. So they pick they pick some of my people and some of my people come and they said are we know the same people or they said so I spoke to Reverend Sam and Reverend Sam said we should just all go about our how the source we are at the Japanese big. So if they want to come, they can come. So I also decided to also go to his area and then start an octopus. That's what our plan you. Have to answer this question. You have to answer this question. You have to answer this question, yes. Thank you very much, Carl. Reverend Sam should answer the question. He's the advisor in chief, right? I think we're sending family light hours which have had this prudent in those matters, but with this one, I've spoken to you already about it and they have sorted it out. So what the? I don't really know what happened, but I think they first, they didn't know he was there and I think the second place he rather made a statement that he wanted his own sheep, so that created that but. But you see what the family are just I don't like that's also doing to him just my family, like your people don't consider I want to family like the same thing. Just like the same way he's if his people come to you and then he's also not happy that you're also taking his people. This is what I'm saying because we, I mean in Accra we have, we have buses that go and bring people. Last time our bus was picking the Kodesh buses picking people. This is where people have got there's light out church just opposite. Do you understand the Accra is big if we are going to say that because I'm, if you like 5 minutes drive from the Kodesh, there are branches there all around there's branch just and there's branch above 6 branches all around the Kadesh. So there is everybody can grow. Do you understand? So do not, don't, don't waste time on sheep. So this you go, go there, bless them. Do you understand and then cooperate with a pastor in Mango. I say go and visit him. Tell the how did you how did your church work? Tell me give me a missile that we are we are one you understand and the family lighthouse pastor to visit him. Tell him that look, this family lighthouse is on it. That's some struggle is not necessary. It will distract you. All right, that distraction, that right of convention Bible. Students, yeah, I think he went. He made the mistake of looking down on the pastors day, the Lighthouse pastors themselves. So it's like they were reacting to the way he was behaving. Yeah. So. That's actually what I you understand, All right. He's sorry. Yes. I'm Pastor Victor from Guinea. In regards to the question my my brother asked concerning you've been sent to a country to start a branch. I'm using myself as an example. Bishop talks about the the seven spirits, speed of wisdom, speed of understanding and you go into the country and you you get some history about churches that have worked, churches that have gone on and are successful. And you also get a bit of slightly understanding why some churches couldn't make it. And you find yourself in a position where you must choose an area where to probably start off and you are there over a certain period of time. You realize that maybe the churches going on to some to some extent, and you have less on average about 40 to 45 members. But due to should I say, seasonal changes, maybe there are some constraints in terms of finances. I don't know. It's personally, it's something I've been thinking about. It's a bit difficult to comprehend. Maybe, you know, just closing the church down and moving to another area. I don't know. What's the advice would be something I've been thinking about and wondering. If you really don't have help, I mean to better to use the weight as an octopus. This is what I'm saying now like you go and start somewhere else and then this place, which is if it's too far, the people can't travel there becomes an octopus and look, we'll have service in the evening. Instead of losing all the members, they go and start afresh at a more working place. This is what I'm saying. But then if it says that you cannot sustain the two because of whatever, it's in a move like when London church started, we started in London, northern London at a point it's just like all the churches in church are in the South. Then we eventually move to the South. Now after many years of being there S we had no strength to come back to the north and everywhere else in London. So as you grow, you have more strength to come back to where you used to be, just like Australia. Also Sydney where the church was, which was at a corner which you realize that it it can't work. So at a point Percipita move the church somewhere else to a little more easy to more accessible place. Then other church has grown. They move to other other areas. The same place where it was difficult becomes easier with time. Do you see? So if you cannot maintain an octopus, close it down and go in such a fresh, better that way, you see, But it will be better with the idea of the octopus. Mind that we have to keep it as a maybe the second church and start afresh at a mall, I mean at an accessible or easier place if you like. Oh, I was looking more at the the cost involved rather than, yeah, people accessing the churches. It's easier way it is now and probably when you move further out it's difficult for people to. Access. Cost of paying the rent. Cost of paying the rent, yes. OK. I mean, like it's, it's a good place, but it's too expensive. It's a good place, but it's just it's a bit expensive and the church cannot. It's almost like you find a good car to buy, but it's expensive, so you buy what you can, then later on you can buy an expensive car. You know what you can't afford, you can't afford. Do you see what I'm saying? If you cannot meet in a hotel, you cannot meet in a hotel. That's it's as simple as that. Do you see it Will it will the struggle may be too much and too, I mean, you cannot handle it. So look at the the practical. Let me, I mean, what what we can do and what we cannot do and do what we can do. You see. All right, OK. Any other question? Yeah. Please stand and ask. My name is Emmanuel KK Teteo from Wasagropon and Bishop I have from this Wasati Kropo in the Western Union. I have this church member who is very active in the church but whenever she gets sick she goes to a prayer house, a prayer come to go and stay there. On one occasion I went to visit her at one of the places. Is she OK? She's. OK, yes, I mean she is a mental or spiritual program. She's OK. She's OK now. I'm a human being. And when, when the person she went to go to know that I'm a pastor from Lighthouse and there's Lighthouse, he said he didn't know, but if he had knew, would have been coming to visit the church. I thought you learn maybe a little bit of sense from that side. The person I'm coming to is even wanting to come to the Lighthouse Church to visit, but she got sick again. Now she has gone to a different place. Stay up as I'm talking now, she's still there. He goes to see there and I don't know whether how to go. I don't know how to go about it and what is actually what is going on in her mind. I don't know whether it's a problem, Keke. I don't use a problem president. What do you think, please? Thank you very much. OK, thank you for your question. Let's have the microphone person you want to actually help with the answer. I don't know about other places, but this is something that I believe exists in most in a lot of places. I mean, you have check members who have, you know, a personal pastor on her payroll as a prophet, as a prayer partner and you know, that's how they are. You preach them, you talk to them. But one trade member, we have one such an example. And it was a weekend. She was travelling to one such place. I advised her not to go. On the way she had an accident. In fact, she had to jump out of the burning vehicle to save her life in the way she came back. She told me, look, everything I've been saying is what a man told them. I said, well, you can continue to go. So this, I mean, it's not a, you know, it's something that is common. Tech members do that but keep on preaching to them and some will change, some will not change. Yeah, yeah. That's a normal behavior of sheep. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So don't. Don't let it bother you. They don't. You see, don't take one person. Just keep teaching, Teaching consistently. Those who stay with you will stay with you. Do you follow? And then then if somebody's also sick and is dying, he wants help. I mean, they don't go and she dies on you. What do you do? This is what I'm saying. So don't insist that if you go your case. Yeah, because as you are here, he's moving around because he got sick again and is looking for help. Just like who go to so many hospitals because they want to be well, but they acknowledge. So keep teaching. Do you understand? All right, yes. Just two or two more questions. So then we would. Yeah, any more question. But as any. Yes, stand again and ask your question. Yes. Pastor Duncan from Paga, Bishop, mine is not a question, it's just a little contribution that I've seen about the distance, avoiding distraction when I distraction, when I went to Paga, I made the distance of God Pastor, as soon as I put my banner on the wall, then he came. This is Lighthouse Chapo International. You are welcome. So I said what is this? So that's so fine. After chess service, he came to my place again with motorbike. Did you get some people in your church? And it's like when he made those two comments, I started shivering. Then I said what is this man thinking? So I was riding back to Navrango. Then I saw him. Then he said, so stop, stop, stop, stop. Are you getting some people in your church? And I said, no bicycle. Then he said. And then I said to him, people are coming. He says people are coming. Wow. Then you've done well. So he announced in his church that there's this church here that the pastor goes around inviting Putu his church. So when they see such pastor, they shouldn't follow him. So the evangelist, somebody said my pastor announced in our church that we shouldn't come to such church. So when he said that, when the person said that, I said so it's like I became hurt and said not to go close to him. So I visited Reverend Patrick in Tamarind. He was advising me that I should learn the language. So I was inquiring from people. Then he said this is the person who helps to write that is in the Qasim language in New Testament. So I was just me, I won't go to him, I won't go to this person. So one day I decided no, I have to use the principle of hiding and flourish then just to overcome him. So I went to him. Then I told I need that is in the New Testament in Qasim language. Then he gave it to me, so I went to him. Then I told that I want you to teach me how to read the Qasim language because I wanted to learn the language. So by doing so, I cleared the way he thinks. Yeah, about a church. So sometimes maybe you will meet somebody and maybe the way the person will react to you if you don't take time, you can also overreact it. Yeah, well, when you react to also take you out of the friendship that you. Yeah. And the benefit that you also get from the people very. Good. Thank you. Very good. And his behavior is a very normal pastoral behavior. Yeah, if anybody somebody I say my church that don't go to any church, don't go for a night, come to this church. We have all nights here. This is what I'm saying. And the town is small ship is expensible. The business has tried go to every normal. Yeah. So it's nice to think that a pastor will tell them that they shouldn't go to any church. They should come to the church, he says. So don't be heads, OK. And it's good that you behave properly, right? Yes. Any other, any other questions? Any questions? It's important. All these things help. All right. And yes, yes, yes. From the back. Take the back. Yeah. OK. My name is Yao Bing Bamako, and I have a question, which is OK. Let me ask you. And how far do you go in your attempt to pastor church members? And I know that the Bible says that do not be surety for somebody because you may enter into the person's sin. And I'm asking this because our church has a nice mix of people. Some are drug dealers, some are prostitutes. And a couple of times they, some of them have gotten behind bars and Pastor George has had to go to the police station and talk. And it's like, short of standing bail for them. And one of the instances I've thought about it, because after the gentleman came out, I wondered, are we sure that this guy, he doesn't know something about this thing, you know? And so it makes me wonder sometimes, how far do you go? With that thing so that you don't also get yourself into, I mean, it is known in Bamako that many people in many churches are drug dealers. They are known. They are welcomed. The pastors don't talk about it because they contribute financially to their churches. It is, it is known. I just wanted to ask about that. How do you? Yeah, who answered the question? How far do you go as far as visit them in prison? That's like you said when I was in prison, so you faster them out, they go to prison, they keep pastoring them because some of them will go to prison, but they are still your church members. This is what I'm saying. Visit them in their counterpart, encourage them, God is with you and so on. And you know, whether that's something like you said, whether are they really guilty or not guilty, Most of them are. This is what I'm saying. And most of them are being converted as they keep. And so they'll be converted in prison properly. Yeah. So the principle is they don't stand shorting for anybody, but encourage them, visit them. Tell them that you shall be well. God is with them. They should keep praying. They're praying for them. Then when they go to court and prison, also visit them after that in prison. And when they come back, they will come back to church, hopefully. Is it OK? Yeah. All right. She says something like bailing the person out of. Doesn't say don't stand shorting for anybody. It's even if you know that a person is not guilty, it's you don't stand Shorty. It's it's it's a principle isn't there? It's in ethics, ethics that you do A person doesn't stand Shorty for any body. You know what I'm saying? Because they will come for you and it's in the Bible. You have passed it to everybody, the whole community. So they don't stand Shorty for any one single person at all. But also if your church is small, don't abandon all or any of them. We have a lot of church members in prison, not a lot and all of them in prison, a few of them in prison. This is normal. I mean, if you go to this of these European countries, you have church members. They are prostitutes in the church, but you have enough of them in your church. They come and say past that last night business was no good at all. Here's what I'm saying. Yeah, pray for me that I get more clients known prostitutes then and then no position and then no witches. The wonderful thing, right. And then in Zurich, sometimes I brought, sometimes you see them of them. We don't see them. And where we've been, oh, I've been in prison for the past one month and so on. And then we welcome them back. They wear their ushest style and it's a ushering when I was in Jamaica where is Pastor David, one of the guy where they were you one of the guys remember after service guy said oh, the Chief OSHA was smoking weed before service. Anyone where Chief OSHA is he? So when it come to report him there was smoking weed there before the service. So God, he has a lot of children. No, including you. All right. And we are pastoring them. Yes. The question here, it contributes. OK then before the question. Yeah. I'm Olivia Kuvio Bata. No Nigeria. I just wanted to say that, yeah, be be encouraged. Some of them will become all right. I remember we went to Dumasi, we almost everybody, all the males in the church had their names in the police station, almost all. And I remember the one place that we really went for people was from the cemetery, because that's where they went to smoke weed. And Reverend Alice would take his car to the cemetery and just be gathering the weed smokers into the car and bring them to church. And recently we went to Adumasi to have a kind of no was it OK convention. We went there, went there to say hello to the church to visit them. And I remember that some of the parents came to see us and say thank you because some of them are now in the Bible school. Some of them are now lay past. I mean, I was surprised. Some of them lay ministers in coats, I mean, nicely dressed. And these were the people where we smokers have their names in the police station and all that. So be encouraged, Vladim, be encouraged. Some of them will become something. You'll be amazed. It's powerful. Everybody must go to prison. I'd like to invest. Or go yourself. All right? Yes. Why did you mean I cut about before? Oh, but that is why. Yeah, pass it on. James Barton Asim and so James Barton Barton forgive so as a pastor, I know that my question has got to do with relating to the poor. A pastor, somebody with a genuine pastoral heart, will want to help the poor. And when you notice that the poor in the church are trying to unduly take advantage of you, like the time you when you cook your meals, they are around, they come. Yes, ask. When? As soon as you finish. Yes. As soon as you finish your evening meal, they are around cry and sometimes they come and they want money, they have a problem and they they want some financial help and when you give then some other people maybe they talk to them or pastor is very kind. When I had a problem he helped me and he too will come. So as to how far do you shut your balls of or maybe deal with the problem if it is becoming a major challenge for you? I think it will help us with the answer, right. So the man is saying that. The man is saying that when you cook the food, I think the problem, the first problem is that the Stew is too nice, the aloma is too much. So they can smell the food from far is what I'm saying. And then they time you. Yeah, but there's something in the book. You have to eat with your followers. Jesus, heir to the disciples. When the sin is small, you have to make a lot of sacrifices. You know what I'm saying? So try and shake your food. Anyway. I am person. Therefore help us to answer this question. Then we carry on. Just what? No, I think 2 weeks ago announced in the college that nobody should come and ask me for money again. If I stop taking money, taking my wallet, isn't it? Yeah. I announced it because everyday minimum of 10 people come and ask me for money. I'm the one who has preached and they come to ask me, you know, giving to me. It's a it's a symbol of prosperity. It's not easy. So I've stopped. When you come, I'll. I'll show you don't have money. I'll do this. I'll tell I don't have money. I'll do all that and then we will go. I don't, I don't have money. This is a thing and listen to if you like look inside. So it's a normal thing that people would come and and want to whatever and so on. But you have to have your core people coming so and do not also let your home become a home for everybody. There's something they must be used to come to your home. That's why when you cook, they always around around the corner. Do you have to meet them have meet with them apart from those who are close enough to come home, the rest should not be able to walk into your house anytime. Go and bring others. The person is very kind. So others are coming and all that you see. So it's it's it's need to be a problem. Do not let your home be open to every Tom, Dick and Harry in the church. All right. OK. Yes, BDR. Yeah, we we have a similar problem where we. Are in America. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, there, there are lots of African Americans who come to church and it's just about getting money from the pasta or getting food and so on. I mean, there's one particular guy, he comes to church very regularly, and after church every day, he will ask for money for food or money for something else, you know. And I think that's you. You. Yeah, Yeah. I think he's a drug addict too. But anyhow, I think that you have to remember what you, your role is in their lives. Otherwise you soon become just a distributor of stuff. And so you have to remember that. And even while you are giving them something, while they are coming to take advantage of you and you also take advantage of that moment, make sure that each time you minister to them and make sure that they are getting the gospel and they are not just coming for food, you know, because people do that. And, and my husband goes for these medical conferences and they give us a lot of free stuff. They give our free folders, Diaries and so on. And the companies have realized that everyone you know, they see your pens are nice. So people would just flock to this stand and just collect the pens, collect the Diaries and so on. So now they had, I noticed one, the last one I went to, I noticed that what they do is that before you get a pen or before you get a diary that is inscribed with your name, you have to listen to a 20 minute presentation. You know, you have to. And after you have listened, there's a video presentation. You have to go through that. And when you are done, they'll give you a slip and then you go and get your, your gifts. And sometimes it's a nice gift, personalized or whatever, but you have to go through the 20 minute presentation about a certain drag or something. Then you get your gift, you know, and if they keep coming you to keep ministering, somewhere along the line they will become true. I mean church members. So I think it's a you take advantage of them also. Amen. Yeah, very, very good, very good, right. So try not to tell them like she said your role is you're you're their pastor. Yeah, so the pastor them you are not Ghana Food Distribution Corporation, right. So pastor them spiritual. I told them when they come, spiritual input, advice and so on, but don't nobody can ask for money from now on. Then that day a lot of people came to, I said, well, money after they didn't hear all right, Any other question. Yes, yes. I'm Lily Adi from Angie in the western region. I started an octopus recently. Before it began, I went to the town and the only available place was in a school. So when I went to see the headmaster, he said there was a church meeting there before I came, but they had stopped meeting for almost six months so he doesn't know if they'll still come. But there were six classrooms so I chose 1. He said it was not the classroom that the church was meeting in. So I started church about a month after I came to church. Usually some of my church members put up the banners and prepare the place. When I came, a banner had been moved from where it was and the people were meeting in our classroom, so we had to move to another place. No problem. When we moved to the other place, I realized that the time that we have church, that's when it's time for me to preach. That is where they are singing. It's like they wait and so they hear that I'm preaching. Meanwhile, they come earlier. And it's a farming community, so most of them go to their farm before they come. So we can't do church earlier than them. And we start church at 9:00. So I don't know if I should confront the pasta. And he, he really comes with a motorbike. This is a big field near the school that he could park the bike, but he comes with a bike when is almost when he hears that everywhere is quiet. Then he comes room like that and there are lots of young people, so they all 10 and when they are singing, they start singing their songs. It's really destructive. I don't know what to do about it. He's an older pastor, too. So go to your husband and talk to talk to talk to him. OK, And then also be like Isaac. He dug a well. They came to fight, moved, dug another world until you go to place. This is Rehoboth. God has given me rests. I build. Do you understand? So if they keep just move until. But talk to him. If there's no understanding, move somewhere else. All right. There's no point in striving. OK, anything else but right. Any any. Any question, any question or contribution before, just before we stand in and pray a little bit and get ready for the next very, very important session. All right. Can I also ask a question on ABM according to the principal, any question ABMTC or questions on Yeah, anything? Yes, the questioner here. Jamel Lasanke Gua I just wanted to add something to a question my brother and asked about when the people come around. I also think the one thing that's your food, Yeah, OK, is that you must be honest to them and tell them that, look, I don't have anything on me. And sometimes to like LP said, they come around because they also want to take an. I remember there was this boy, he was a smoker. I used to give him money. Then I encourage him to come to church. But I realized that he was not interested in the church, but interested in my money. So when I realized that anytime I meet him, I tell him that, brother, today I don't have money I won't give you. And he got bored. But I realized that if I keep on following him, he's not coming to church. And he was not ready to come. So I said I won't give him. And since then, I don't mind him. And I also think he's not the only soul I can follow. And also to add to this, my brother Kyle was also talking about the sheep thing. What I also say is that sometimes you just let some people go when they go, others will come. What I'm trying to say is I have I had last year on this time, one of my main members. She was the main tiger and she left the church at the time of the become when you can become. I was really, I was really worried, but I just I couldn't do anything about this. I guess I should let the whole thing go, but thanks be to God when I rather let her go, about 5 people came to replace my offerings multiplied and I was like, wow, it's good. So I realized what I'm going to say is that no matter what happens, just let them go. Other ships will come there a lot. So he doesn't need to try and go go fishing at this particular place. You should look elsewhere. And it's awake. Wonderful. Very good. Yeah. Eric is Lee, is there any? Yeah. OK then where we want to you moved around recently and share short experience with us what you found in the mission field after these questions. Yes, no, no. This after this question, this yes for the poll. Bishop, mine is an observation. I realized that during the, the Bishops Council's meetings, the 1st that we went, we're giving so like a schedule. And then we had groups that were meeting in the four part of the week. And then although others were meeting at the latter part of the week, so as though some could just go on break and then come back. But the second day we came, we're giving a booklet and it had the offices, the issues to discuss. And then throughout our deliberations, I, I remember mentioning in our group that I think that we need to realize that a lot of thinking is going on in the church, which has LED someone to come up with all these issues that we need to discuss with respect to the various offices having come to this campus. Well, I also see the same thing happening with bishops preaching. And even with the IS, I, I see clearly that a lot of thinking is actually going on regarding the church regarding the things that concern our churches, not just preaching, not just doing the, the spiritual things and supernatural things, but the administration and all the other things that make part of the ministry. And I've told myself that I, I want to leave the camp not even before the end of the campus. I've just decided that I'm going to be someone who's going to think about the ministry in this composite, you know, in this whole holistic view, because one can just look at a little a little portion and then think that, oh, this is all that I'm doing. In a case in point, you know, we started with the with the offices and we didn't we didn't even get to finish, but there were so many things that we had to deal with and contend with. So for myself and I guess maybe it might go for, you know, all of us if our minds would be. On the ministry in this in this holistic view that that is the observation that I have I. Have very good, good observation. All right. Which chapter in the book does it? What do you say does apply? First of all, which? Which chapter? OK, it will be 8, end of section. All right, that's the last one in pasta. OK, 1-2 pasta Kingsley. Then we've finished. Yes. I'm Andre, Andre Sangami from Ellora, Nigeria. I'm in relation to the past pastoral relationship. I realized that the first time we went to Ellorin and we're hosted by a prophet. So we're there for about two weeks. So he was friend, he was taking care of us, food in the morning, afternoon, evening. So amid we, we also knew that we came for the mission, we came with the target. So sometimes he expected us to go with him to his church, sometimes on Wednesday and Friday. So initially we knew that we had to be a little dicey with the relationship with him to make sure that us bishops really as we have also been sent, we also make sure that we keep that relationship but also focus on our our mission there. So later it affected us for some time. So it took some weeks before we were able to do our thing. But later on we when we had our meeting place, it was not so good. So we had to change when revenge and Reverend and Reverend Alex came there. So we used his meeting place for about a month or so. Then he usually has a fellowship at 4:00 in the evening and he expected us to still come for his fellowship. Meanwhile, we also had our fellowship around 5:00. So we made it look dicey and make it look some way, but we also had to by God's ways apply wisdom. We also so that sheep will not see us always at his place because it was always also in the same vicinity. So I found God that we were able to use wisdom to be able to come out of that and also keep his alliance because it was by God's ways that he helped us even launch us there. So I, I just want to say I thank God that and also as pastors, which we also have new missionaries, we also keep our relationship with other pastors and make sure that we project Bishop and Reverendy also as from Nigeria in a good way because. Right, Thank you. OK, right. Yes, yes, quickly. Francis has some right house Gambia. I want to ask a question about frustrations and discouragements. How, as a pastor, do you deal with your frustrations and discouragements in ministry? Make it a little more relevant. Have you been discouraged? Maybe you have a dream of having branches, or maybe you want to start miracle waves or something like that. And maybe it works to a point, and then due to various reasons it doesn't work any further And it's like maybe you've tried several times to get it going again and maybe you were not able to get it going. You are discouraged, frustrated. How do you deal with? Yeah very important chapter in this book self motivation and also some sense that every miss every leader must overcome that discouragement and listen and since that Paul overcame all these things are here who chapter possibly for us do become self motivated. Do not expect direction or encouragement from outside first summer 36 and David encouraged himself in the Lord. 7 steps to encouraging yourself Develop a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit. Receive living messages from God by the simple reading of scriptures. Remember other problems that God has delivered you from. Make positive confessions. Learn to listen to. Appropriate tips and get fired up again. Play the right music at the right time. Avoid depressive and discouraging personalities will only draw you back into the darkest glue. Easy. Oh, there's also another chapter on Survivor Survivors, isn't it how it's watching what everything must survive, So it's all there. So Pastor Asamoah, really, it's OK. Try not to be discouraged. And also your own demeanor. Try not to look discouraged. Even if you are discouraged inside, don't look it. All right. Yes. Sorry. OK. My name is Jeffrey Okran Gambia. I've been observing the churches in Gambia like us with different churches and one of my observation has been that most of the churches are filled with over 90% foreigners who are living in Gambia. I mean like Ghanaians, Nigerians were unions who live in Gambia and the few Gambians who happen to be in churches also happen to be indigenous Gambians who are Christians already. And I was talking to Pastor Kevin I think 2 days ago and he was asking me which church is really making impact on the indigens. And I remember a pastor talking to me about one church who is pastored by a Gambian and his church started just about two years ago and his membership is almost up to 300 people in Gambia. And all these people are Muslims who have been converted to be Christians and they are in Gambia. And he was asking me, how does this pastor do it? Because if he is a Gambian and he's being able to even convert to some people, it means that we coming from foreign lines should may be much easier for us. And I realized that this one of the things this pastor is doing is that it is quite difficult when you speak to a Muslim who comes to church, gives his life to Christ for the person to come again because of a lot of issues. Appears it means like you have to be a safe haven for the person. You have to even provide a person with accommodation, if possible, food. And before you can get a Muslim committed to be a member of your church. And we even had an issue like that, that there was one guy who was a Muslim, he came to church. We even have to help him to look for a job and all those things. And this pastor only success has been that all his members are virtually being taken care of by himself. If I say himself is he has a foundation that was supporting him in supporting these people because once they get converted, OK, once they get converted, they are ejected from their houses and he has to provide for them. And most of them are young and they probably don't work. So I was just I'm just trying a question that if that is the only one pastor in Gambia who is having much effect on the indigens and we want to adapt this method, how can we go about it? Thank you. He. Said no, I don't want. That's a question because do you, do you think there's hope for the church in Gambia? No, honestly. Do you think the witness, is there a mission that can work or there's no discouragement in it? I would say to a point that there's a high level of discouragement because once you I speak to, I've invited Muslim personally who had come, but they go back, some come forward to give their lives to Christ. How? Many years are they? How many years have they mission been Gambia About 10 years. How the attendance like? Obviously around 4040, yes. Ten years, yeah. So you didn't come working. Both of you wake your wife's wake and then you have a yeah, property. There isn't to own the building, right. I mean, there's some some places where if you're really, really going to be have it, I mean a place like as you're saying, it's difficult to be difficult to have a Church of 1000 people, 500 people, it's going they're going to be easy. Except if you really want to have a same type of ministry, you cannot have it there. Do you see, that's what makes us maybe, well, close down. Yeah. And therefore, it's one revelation that this how how much you can have. Otherwise you couldn't move somewhere else where you can have real living ministry. You know, just like we closed down the mission in Senegal at a point you asked Tingabu and tell me to come back and then to be reassigned because practically as it is now, it's not going to be easy. So the fact that you guys are work, working and so on and maintaining and let it grow little by little the other side, we contented with it and see then really see this how it's going to be for some time. Yeah, you, you, it's not going to be a 500 members out of the blue or whatever. And this man's strategy. And so I don't know what strategy, but you can ask him. You see, I'm saying because he comes from there and all that and so on and 10 years, 14 members, it doesn't sound interesting, but it can also be very satisfied with that as I can, building up some people, training them. Has anybody come from Gambia to Bible school before? I read anybody from Not Yet apart. From Michael Dejan. Michael Dejan didn't come to Bible school. He came for another reason. All right, OK, so if you're able to even get some Gambians to come to Bible school, then they'll go back as indigens possibly to start some work and their country may be more accepted and do better. So maybe your mission there must be to build or train our people who would then carry on the mantle. Because like you're saying, 9% of them are Nigerians or Ghanaians who come to the church. So it's almost like a Church of non Gambians, isn't it? Yes. How many Gambians do you have in your church? We have only one family Gambian church, yeah. Yeah. One, just one family, the rest are all Ghanaians and Nigerians. Yeah, it's not easy. It's a foreign mission. OK, So try. You see, that's why you are two. Try not to be discouraged. This is what I'm saying. Try and find others. I mean be happy with yourselves. Otherwise you'll always be depressed because the situation in Gambia is different. Different situation in Ghana. Do you understand elsewhere? So if you really feel that, look, this is what I want to do and it's not working out, tell the look Gambia mission is not working out and so on. I would like to be reposted or reassigned somewhere else. But otherwise you have to at a point and you have to decide to be contented and satisfied and encourage yourselves and have the mission. Look, can I go with some more people to do? But if you have only one Gambian family. So a simple situation, all right. Are you friends? Very good friends. Did you encourage one another? That's how it is. OK, Yes. Last one, thank you, Bishop. I'm Edmund from Ahafo, Kenya. Say please. I am. In your response to Pastor Ben's question as to when to move from servant hood to sonship, you said that he shouldn't move. And Jesus said, I know no more. Call yourself, I'll call you friends. Is that what you're going to? Quote No, no. OK, He said he should, he shouldn't move. But I yesterday when I was coding for you, as you were playing the golf, I observed something when you were crossing the bridge, I, I realized that you were working with Bishop. But when you get to the bridge, you allowed him to go before you. You again, you followed and you, but you are a friend and then a son and at the same time a servant. But I want to know at what time do you actually present yourself as a son And then to decipher. When you are crossing the bridge. Yeah. So as the situation brings itself, this is what I'm saying. Yeah, the situation brings itself when the situation brings itself. Yeah, in every circumstance, you know how to behave. Paul will call himself. Paul is a born servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. But Paul is the one who says that, and he called that sons. And because we are sons, he has sent the spirit of adoption to us. This is what I'm saying. Yeah. So in praying, you pray to God as a son, as the father, in in working for the work, as a servant was for his master before I'm saying yeah, and all that. So it's it's it's it's all mixed up. Yes. You need prudence and wisdom. OK. Right. OK. What's a picture? Last Sunday I preached at the Quintinacy Branch, Zequan, Tennessee nearly bosom tree and one thing I observed is that it's an Ascendria church and therefore I mean trees should be what I mean, the preaching and everything. But I realized that the pastor who is there cannot preach in tree. Do you see anything? There's a pastor here. Pastor. Can you stand? Yeah. And even though I mean his assistant can preach in tree and when I spoke with him with the tree and everything, I was wondering if people are sent to places to stand to start Ascendia churches, are they sort of prepared for that? Because everybody that was in church, even I mean I have to force to preach in tree, although the assistant was helping me. And I realized that if the pastor himself who is there cannot preach in tree and I mean fool Ascendia Church. Do you see? It's just like the same people like those in the French countries that I mean, cannot also, do you see? And even though he has a lot of, I wonder because I know his assistant is leaving as well and how he can cope or if there's a program that would help him. So that because I mean, I spoke with him in three and realized that, oh, I mean, it would take a long time. Yeah, how do you? Speak take a long time. What language do you speak? Pad I krabo Ada All right, and you don't speak chi call John 316 in chi Let's hear try it, give you the micro try and just say paraphrase it. Paraphrase it. Pardon me, Bishop John 316 paraphrase it in chi like I'm preaching. Just quickly, quickly try. Yes, you have tried to say it, but I mean like he's saying how how how does it work? Because I know you finished Bible school and it was posted. How is your? Work Bishop. Actually I have stayed in Accra for a very long time, at close to 10 years, almost 10 years. But the the situation how my life have been in Accra was. Such a way that I didn't get the opportunity to speak to you with the people I stayed with. For instance, the first people I stayed with, I stayed with Airways. So yeah, no, no, it's not a problem that I don't speak to you. But how did you end up where you are? Yeah, My. I have changed my place. I was when? You are asked that question. You don't have to always answer so that the person has to be clever to ask where were you before? How do you speak to every sentence is like you say one word, then we have to ask again, then you say another word, then we have to Bishop, I was showing something that when you asked the question answer you for because it's like how did you end up at the place? I changed my place. So where were you before? Then you have to say where you were before. I'm sure that why you change to be another question. Yeah, Jeremy talk. Bishop Yeah, I was sent to Sharma. Sharma Sharma is a fancy land and Sharma and tree are the same old. So I I thought that I couldn't do well there. But with the tree I kind of understand to some extent. So I thought when I was in Bible school, I thought that when I get, I can speak the tree. So when I get there, I realize, yeah. With the language, you know, so we find out which area you think that you'll be comfortable and then but what has happened that some of them on their own have suggested places, you know, and in this era of mature non dependent become what you can become. We also a little careful to sort of, you know, I say that by all means you should be here because we do also want a situation where in future the person may say that is because we send him or her to a particular place. That's why he didn't succeed, you know. So we take that into consideration where, you know, you are more comfortable in the language. So if he cannot speak tree, I don't know. How he will end up in that place? Sorry, we were 64. Yes, Bishop. But it's like if you could speak the language, then the potential is. And Bishop, I think that with time I'll be able to speak because I understand everything. Just that. And even I don't have an assistant is somebody who is just passing by to help me. And I realized that with my assistant. Oh sorry, that one who who who is helping me also confess that even though he's an Ashanti and can speak the language, he couldn't preach in three. He has to force to preach in three. So I think three time in 33333. No, no force, yeah, I mean force yes the time I can I can do well Bishop I I I'm convinced that I can speak. OK, OK, that's good determination, but force and do well because it will affect you right. So they become a Japanese in Ghana right. I think Pastor Kingsley will say OK quickly let's ask most of those were asking questions are the new Ghana missions because they are fresh enough. I think most of you are too experienced. So you don't have any more any more problems. Yes, I'm our presumptuous. Hello, Hello. Yes. I'm Lambert. I have all from Bremezukuma Brema. I have speak. I want to say that the fancy or the local language we must force to preach in it because we are in Ghana Mission and most of the towns. And I realized something when I was there. When I I went there first I was preaching in English and it's like when the people come, they don't come again. So one time we went on visitation and then one of the guys, they started making Coming Lighthouse on pair Brafo Sembudo, Cochran de Brafo semi and koi and Koi. So So I was not encouraged with the statement that got me. But when I came home and I realized the Holy Spirit was ministry to me. I have to change the way I preach. And so I bought a fancy Bible. And then when I stand before the Bobby sometime I'll try to read John 316, but it doesn't work. So I use my mind like when I read the English one, they try to use my own language. And I believe it has bring a lot of transformation to my church. And it's working. And it's like when I'm preaching and they will be shouted, oh, Pastor Echo. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, and it's working. So when I'm preaching and I mentioned setting words, then it's like a social affairs. I was struggling to how to mention tight. So I would say so it's like last time I mentioned that in a new word, it's a koi. And then I said then when they shot a koi then I would say in Jesus name. So it's working. We must force to preach because sometimes when I go around I see that some like Pastor Alta best churches and they preach in English and this like the number is not encouraged by when you go to the other places that is. Cost and all this. Stuff, yeah, you can see the flow in the local and it's working. So I think we we must force because this where we are and we have to break the the barrier then then break forth. And I, I, I believe that I break forth from that and it's working. It's going to work. That's it. All right. I think I find out Monday. You know, I, I, I think that this also new Ghana Mission was the name. Can. You can you feel some freshness with this new Ghana mission people? They're asking questions, they are forcing, they are contributing and and it's a sense of energy cannot see, but I cannot feel that because honestly, nice personal questions are from the new Ghana mission. You just went, it's like, it's like, it's like all day. Yeah, what are these guys talking about? But you guys have energy. It's powerful, eh Bolle and all of them All of them for the Silas. You are sleeping because no, I caught you sleeping long ago and then Koye. Oh, oh, oh, it's boring. Is he? He's not boring. I'll say Koye 2005 one. Yes, chief. Ask your name and. Then. Eben is are they go key? Sushi is same. I do go key is same. Are they go key right? Yeah and yes. So I really needed a help actually I have 5 Muslims guys in my church and whenever I close from service they go home. Their parent beats them that why do they have to come to the church and even their parent wanted to disown them that when everybody comes to my church again, they will suck them from the house. But it keeps on coming. I don't know, but I needed the help. I don't know. So you need help? Yeah, you need help. They keeps on coming. So what help? What help do you need? Actually, I don't know what to it's like. You know what to do, but if the. Parents suck them. I don't know if I should bring them to the mission. I don't know what it's like. You send them to where? I don't know, it's like your house because the parents said they wanted to sack them from them. Whenever they come, they go home. They beat them too, but it keeps on coming. Tell them that through many stripes and tribulations, we must enter the Kingdom. No, because if somebody gives a person persecuted, you know, there are ministries or missions which have shelters for people like that. We don't have that yet. So we minister to the people who preach them and they go home and they beat them and so on. You encourage them that they should keep strong in the Lord and they should respect their parents, and then they should keep crying in their heart and then they come back and then they go small, small. They'd be OK, but we don't have a shelter for them yet. So don't create what we don't have. Do you understand? Go ahead and open your hearts for go and realize we come to our 33 people who are living in your house, do you see? And the whole thing becoming a problem? Yes. Reverend Kisely, can you stand and share with us briefly please send a mic to him. Where you at? OK. OK, Yeah, well, the Bishop sent me to Western Region to visit some of our mission churches. The objectives were to 1st identify some of their challenges and to help them, you know, overcome them so that they could also rise and do well and become who they can become because that is the heart of the Father. We have to ensure that everybody does well. So whatever it is that he needs to do in order to help you is willing to do so. So I went to that vision. So I adapted to the living conditions, stayed where they were staying, slept in their rooms, ate with them and took them through the normal way of doing the missionary work. The way you must adapt to the the culture of the people and the way you must relate to them in order to make it work. So some of the things I discovered, among many others, where that they themselves have lost zeal. Where? Where did you go please? Well, I started with Azim. OK. Azim in the western region. When did he ask him that you stand? They will know the person there. Keep standing. Yes, where else? Azim half Azini, joy, enchi Pristia and then I passed through a sankragua. So how long do you stay at these places? Two weeks each. Each OK. But I was just 24 hours all. Right, OK, now tell keep telling us your story. Great. Well, they, they had, I think a set of common problems, 1 inability to take difficult decisions, which I think the leadership a book covers. And let's take for example, Azim. He knows that he's been told to start octopus churches and has been trumpeted to him many times and he he's desiring to have but to take that decision and lunch out there, he hadn't be able to do that. He had, as you know, many excuses why he had not started. And these are the excuses that always tend to make the master angry with us, according to Luke 14, because we are supposed to compare not only people but ourselves too. We need to compel ourselves. Many times. We try to compel people, but we don't compel ourselves. We, we, we want other people to be a narcaso, but we are not a narcaso. So within that two weeks, I was able to help him to take the decisions to start two octopuses. You know, we've been passing in front of a meeting place, very powerful meeting place. Is it Isaac Row? He's never seen that. That place could be a meeting place for church. As soon as I saw, I said this is a meeting place. And he said here, I said here, here. And we did outreach. I did outreach with him and some other people have trained within a few days and then we started the octopus. That's the what? How many were we the first meeting? 45 OK, so it was a matter of lethargic behavior. You know, you know, slow to act or probably thinking, but not thinking quickly and correctly because all of them have got very good spirits. In fact, they have very, very good attitudes. They, they, they are lawyer guys. They are very, very humble and willing to learn and never had any problem with them leading them through the exercise and I trust that what they have learnt now they'll be able to carry through. Some of them are saying that now they believe they are more called than before. Joy. Joy told me that he was so discouraged and he felt he was not called. He had been a classroom struggling the classroom there. Meanwhile, he's got a, a foundation with beams and columns. And he was thinking of doing a temporary roof. And I said it was a good idea to do a temporary roof and move from the classroom, which was far away from where their souls are living. And the weekdays he registers about eight or seven people at church. Sundays between 15 and 20, he is struggling to get the people to the meeting place. Meanwhile, he's got a very powerful, what do you call it, a structure. And all that he needs to do is to work hard at it, transfer, relocate a check to the meeting place and then the whole thing starts working. So I helped him to do that and he's telling me that his congregation size is now 65. Attendance before I left them in the two weeks we moved from 15 to between 35 and 40. And I also helped him to create a small place. We did our temporary roof for children. He didn't have children department and almost all the churches that were struggling do not have, you know, consideration for children is the end. This is against the rule because we are supposed to build churches for children and adults. So what about NC? What was the problem? What was the issues there? NC, the same problem. He couldn't take difficult decisions. For example, Enchico, that is the training college next to him has been there all this time. No Octopus there. So I went there to negotiate with the principals. They've got two principals there and then they give us the permission to start Octopus. So we started and he says that they are doing well and we've planned to catch many more souls in September when school reopens, first year students will be coming in. Half fascinating. That's joy. OK then. Azim So they have two octopuses also now we started to they are all working in addition to relocating to their own ground. OK Azim also two octopuses. We started, they are all working. Pristia, we started 2 octopus. They are all working. What are the issues in Pristia? Pristia, he is dull. Dull. Yes, I think Joy is not dull. But he discouraged himself by saying Abraham dull. Abraham is dull that in the sense that he he had all the plans but he couldn't take the decisions person. What can be done to make him bright? What's his name? Peter. Peter is Fred as Peter. Peter is down. Abraham is down. Fred is down. Joy is self discouragement. Self discouragement because when I whipped him up, he actually did very well. Yeah, he rose up to the occasion. So what can we do to take away the dullness? Well, be sure if I should answer. I did something to them. If you describe someone or something as dull, you mean they are not interesting or exciting? They're not interesting or exciting. I think this is a very powerful definition from the dictionary. And you must oh, is he? What is this? Which step is this rather, what, what, what step is this? I've got a definition from there. Inspire people. No, no, not the DAO. No Dictionary. Dictionary. I've got a dictionary. What? What is this? What part of the book is it? What? What is OK? The DAO? The DAO is what? Which step number? What number? What be? Be a leader with emotion. Be a leader with emotion, and then what? And you must inspire people Which? Number is that you always you mention the number are they not numbered? Inspire people is 78 and be a leader with emotions 32. Yeah. So L78 and L32 are affecting you. Leadership AOL 78 out of leadership 78 AOL 32. Yeah. Rally people around you. So I mean, if you are dull and, you know, if you describe someone or something as dull, you mean they are not interesting or exciting and then it goes on and it says disapproval boring. I felt she found me boring and dull. Did you notice any unusual depression or dullness of mind? His eyes look dally ahead. Dally. Let's see someone or something that is dull, is not very lively or energetic, Sluggish. Did you notice unusual dullness of mine? What aspect is this? I've opened dictionary. You have more? What does it say? Lacking interest or excitement. Not bright or shiny. That's a weather slow to understand. Slow moving, indistinctly felt or head, indistinctly felt or head make or become dull. That's the verb I'm looking in my dictionary in my phone. What is it in the AOL use? What technology is it in the? Is it AOLAOL #1? Yeah, but check it to be in AOL somewhere. Look, what can we do to make these dull pastors exciting and interesting? It's not a joke. Who? It's a real problem. And many of us, there's dullness on us. It doesn't inspire people. I'm telling you, it doesn't inspire people. Do not be a lifeless leader. Do not be a lifeless it, said. AOL What? So from now we are giving code AOL sex. Yeah, don't be a lifeless leader. Have a conviction. Yeah, don't be a lifeless leader, People. Don't follow lifeless things. Have a conviction about what you are doing, huh. So anybody who can help you? Know when even you are sitting and you are listening. Try and consciously have a good expression on your face. Even if you, I mean as someone is preacher, a person who looks at you, you must like you say sluggish, don't say sluggishly and have a dull looking face. That's a clue for you. Have the answer come, come quickly and give the answer. What can make these guys brighten up quickly? Tell us God has anointed you to give us the revelation. I'm not sure if I have the answer, but I have told you that you have the answer. So start speaking. Well, you need to first of all accept that you are there. Very good. You see some of them, they don't accept it. Accept it and then definitely avoid. I mean post chest that give that doubt or that confirms the darkness in a real good sit upright, sit upright, let and also try to put a bit of a smile on your face. I mean, when the preaching is going on, need to express it. And I think generally also. Do you watch films? Sometimes. How of what? What? What film have you watched recently? Do you have a DVD player? Yeah. So what film have you watched recently? It's been quite, it's been quite a while because I've been in a craft for about a week. Do you watch films? No, not much. Not much. You don't watch films. Watch a film with him. Where's your wife? Is she here? Lily, Come. He watch what, 24? It's a series that he has on the laptop. It's a series that he has on his laptop. So is he dull? Not at home? What? What makes you what makes you give me a mic? What makes you know that he's not dull at home? I would say that I engage him in a lot of talking. Who does more of the talking? You, Me. OK, most of the time. And then he's down, he's quiet, he listens to what you are saying. But when I'm talking, he talks back to me because I I tell him to talk back to me. So he does. Yes. And what else? That makes him lively at home. So if you were not to make him talk, would he? He would not talk. He talks with his potential shepherds after church when we are home. But if somebody does something wrong at church, he'll hardly rebuke the person. He hardly rebukes the person. Yes. The destroyer of what? Phlegmatism somewhere, isn't it? You see the phlegmatic? Yes, yes, phlegmatic. Are you also phlegmatic? All flags. You see that, Mister Nice Guy, Mr. Nice Guys? But we are seeing setup is spoiling the ministry through phlegmatism. Yeah, sing it. Strumming my pain with his finger, feeling my life with his words. Killing me softly. With his song. Killing me softly with his song. Tearing my whole life. Tearing the whole touchdown. His words killing me softly with his song. Come on how strumming my pain with this manga. You just feeling my life with his wife. He was killing me softly with his song. Have you seen something nice guys. So you see what for? Sakisi said. What did you say? They are very good. What? Very what? Very humble. Humble. They are very loyal. They they are willing to learn. Willing. They have. They have good attitudes. Good attitudes and very kind. Very kind. They treated me very well. They treated you very well. Very well. Look at that. Very respectful. But yeah, but yeah, but they are doing what they are. They are strumming the pain with very good attitude, very loyal, very what? Respectful. They treated you well? How did they treat you well? Oh, even when I want to organize food, I did. I did organize food. But whenever I want to do it, they want to plead with me not to do it. They will take care of it themselves and they will want to serve me. Even when I want to sit and eat with them, they will say please ref, sit down, we'll serve you. They all did the same thing to all of them. But you have been to places was not like that. Yes, yes. Very good, very kind. I mean, you are, you are. If you are a lady, you get a phlegmatic man to marry. A lot of things that you have problems, you may not have them because they accommodate. I mean, the most wildest women, the best type of husband for them is a phlegmatic because he will not really. You see the woman moving around, but he's just a well, that's all. They have gone out. They will come later. Only there is no problem. There are the women flying. She, she, she's out. Bishop. They have what? They have powerful libraries. Powerful what? Libraries? Libraries. Yes, each one of them. They've talk all the books. OK, but other books as well were mostly your books, mostly your books and unfortunately, unfortunately, they don't seem to have maybe the time or interest to imbibe what is in the book because many of the things that I went to teach them other things. It's like the camp yes, I'm just reading the and we just did it practically and they kept kept on telling me ref these things. We knew them all. We don't know why they knew ability to act fast. Wow, pardon. No, God did not make a mistake. So we need some brightness, isn't it? I think they need some internationalization too. What do you think? What's a Richard? Why don't you invite them abroad? Yeah, Go and preach there. I think so. I think that I think the exposure will you need. You need some exposure. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think they'll see what they are not that they could be, and give them some confidence. I think so. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. They should not go to. They should also go to London. Unity Secretary. You need some internationalization for Sakaka, your bright church in Sacramento. These guys usually invite them to encourage them. Yeah. Try the Western region. Yeah, like magically. Yeah. The, the, the the pain of the chair. They are strumming it, cooling. They're just strumming it cooling. I think it's not working. They're just massaging it, cooling, you see. And then we should redistribute money from somewhere to them. No, no, no, no brightness. What can improve the brightness of these guys? I think the wife. You see his wife standing by him immediately brightens him up, isn't it? Hold him properly so that we Do you have a wife? Your situation is West. Do you have a wife? Yes. Not a wife. Where is she? This is our church. His wife is in your church? Yes. Say what you have to say. Yeah. I. Think we're talking about how to put fire into them and make them. More. Active. I think one of the things that one of the things that gives you energy is like when you read the book, it says give people hope. I think you need vision because as soon as you have vision, it begins to supply with energy. My areas are some of the passes they see, the church, some small classroom. That's the only thing that they see. They can't see beyond. So immediately they become very weak. They can't move, but they have all checked buildings, so they have all checked that have been roofed as we are talking now. I mean, what? Christian West? No. No building, no wife. Hey. No. Beloved. No. Beloved. The beloved has left you. Why did she leave you? Was it that you were too dull? No. No, it's not chosen, he said. He said he's not ready. I I think what is being said is very true. You have jeans. I do jeans. Do you wear jeans? Yes, I do. Trousers. Jeans. Yes. OK. What about you? You have jeans. You wear jeans. OK. Yes. Fred, I think if you have a phlegmatic temperament, it can really hinder your ministry, you know, because I found it difficult to really make friends quickly. All right? It's not like Reverend Kisly came around. I didn't really flow with him quickly enough. You know, it took a bit. When I take off, I really do take off. And I learned the colorism from you and the hardness from you. And I like listening to you when you are actually rebuking people and facing people like the mighty foundation for you that you had in Switzerland. It was very hard. And I like those parts because I'm I'm changing. I'm not there yet, but I'll be there. And some brightness is coming up. It's like when I'm, when I'm in church, doing church work, it's like I'm a completely different person. There is energy, I face people, I correct things. You know, when you meet me outside, it's just as if I'm different or, and then sometimes too, as if when I'm, when I'm in my mind, it's like I'm two people, you know, at different time. Like when I'm moving, sometimes I'm moving as if I'm doing the church work and I'm doing, I'm making friends, I'm greeting people. And then sometimes when I'm also moving, it's like I'm just myself. And so then I begin to hear comments like, oh, maybe you're not friendly or you don't greet or things like that, which I'm trying to change. Even reverently. He came around, he's upset. And I'll become like an assemblyman, greeting everywhere and shaking people and try my best, you know, to improve, you know, So, oh, now, now, now. I mean, there is more life, you know, in my own life as I continue to listen to you, you know, I, I, I, that thing is coming. It's really coming. And I think the brightness is they can have the same thing, you know, And now I'm moving all the time. I mean, I'm moving with my people. And they are even now beginning to start a challenge. Their work is, is a lot for us. And I'm praying for grace for them, laying hands on them. And it's shall we shall be well. It will be well with them. So I think sometimes that is that is the background and all, but I think we can overcome it. I'm overcoming it. I believe we can overcome it. So what else can we do to brighten them? This is saying that when he listens to those things helped him to be hard strength Chris brightness burning fire. You should listen to burning fire for a long time. Unquenchable overcame us and unquenchable watch the videos. Actually, maybe you need to watch more videos, even down listening. Even if you take my first love camp, it was there was there was it was high strung energy, energy, energetic camp. Yeah. Finish what you started was also like that. Yeah. You have to watch a bit. Go watching helps you also to copy. OK, Chris, I also think that sometimes we don't fellowship wide enough with other ministers. Even in Lighthouse, we don't befriend ourselves. It's like in Western region, our friends are those in Western region. And that is the whole world. Sometimes no friend at all. Where you are is where you are. I think, I think you challenge each other. You know when you see somebody who's ahead and you interact with the person, it helps to what AOL number? What interact with interact with the great and the small. Genuine friends. Make genuine friends. Is it also a point you see? So you see each one. The absence of each one reduces if you don't make friends. I mean, how would you even have somebody to tell you? Come and join me on my mission. Come and let's go together When the person is not your friend. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. When the person is not your friend. What do you think? Yeah. So you don't have friends. So making of friends, genuine close friends is part of ministry. You need it, is it? And that is the that is one of the things that a lot of people, all these things are being done. So when you are not doing it, you see, it shows something. And you know, sometimes my wife was telling me I was 10, I was going to employ somebody. She was saying that As for you can work with anybody, any old, young, any type of person. I seem to be able to assimilate setting people that people look as that. Why is this man working with this person? Yeah, but I I can be with them if they only have one thing that they want to do. I can be with you. But I see some of that don't seem to be able to make AOL number one, make genuine friends. AOL 111. Yeah, AOL 111. I tell you, this book, you have to make it more than the Bible. Not more than the Bible, but I mean, very. Do you understand what I'm saying? Forgive. Yeah. Make genuine. Because how will you get 14 people to come with you to Half Hasini if I was transferred to Half Hasini? Look, I will make. Everybody will come there. Yeah, everybody will move there. I'm telling you you, you'll be. I will move with so many people. You'll see. Everybody will say we will prefer to be in Hafasini. Our crowd is dead now. We need to be in the western region. Yeah. OK. No. When Pastor Kakra moved to Accra, his when I went to the church in Sakumono, I thought I was in Kumasi. Every single pastor from Kumasi was in Sakumono and I have no objection because me, if I'm moving, you think I've beheaded the church. Clear out everybody and move with them. How clear? You see a whole lot about such challenge. We are all going, we will become farmers, we will do everything so that we can be there together. I cannot move alone. And there are some people. I'm used to them. That's it. And I've come to see that. You see, God gives you people and sometimes your life, you have only one of this kind. 1 of this kind. So that's it for life. You try playing around and changing. You see that you cannot. You cannot work. Yeah. So, yeah. As for me, I have. No, I have no. So if you are, they don't have genuine friends. Juicy. What's going to be with you in Ng? They look as if Ng is an aqueous place. When I was staying in Kolibu and all my mates were going to America, it looked like Accra was an accest place. Out of about 55 people, I don't think, I think get four of them left in Accra. But here we are. It's a blessed place. Everybody said what's been Accra. Everywhere you are is the best place to be. So you have genuine friends. AOL number 111 you don't have. You have, huh? What about you? I'm trying to have. Do you see how many can understand why sometimes it's not working? Do you see? Yeah. Because the anointing for leadership, the understanding and the wisdom, then the strength. You get it. The advice. The counsel is not applied. It's not there. So films. What about films? What type of film? Rambo. Will it brighten them up? What type of film do you like? Romantic films? What type of film does he watch? He watches war films. War Films. But as he look warlike, can he have sex? Oh yes, very much. Pardon. Very much, very much so. You see this darkness? It is selective. Were you, Sir? I told you at home he's not dull. Home. He's not dull at all. Is that what you meant? No. This and other things. But were you surprised by his behavior? Yes. I knew him for almost four years before we married. And he is not very outspoken. But if he sets his mind on something, he has to get it or he has to do it, like being a missionary. I remember when we were in school, he always said that after school he's going into missions and that is what he paid for. Yeah. They will not change their mind. They are lawyer. How many people will you get like him, who is a graduate of which university? Lagon. What did you do at Lagon about chemistry? Like chemistry. And he's finished that. And he says I will be a missionary. And he has gone to Asia. He's not changing his mind. A gunman who is going to Angel. You see, that's what they are like angels. Phlegmatics. They are like angels. I'm telling you. Yeah, almost angels. I'm telling you that we've caught them at this camp. We've caught them at the camp. What have we called them doing? Strumming my pen with his fingers and feeling my life with his words raps. Killing me softly with his song. Today we have exposed phlegmatics. Phlegmatics exposed. So you were surprised when you got married? Yes, Bishop. Yes, you see. So brother, be exciting, be interesting. Sometimes, like Mathis don't get wives to marry because the ladies feel that he's a boring man. If I'm married to him, I will be bored. He doesn't talk, doesn't have any contribution. He agrees with everything. He doesn't quarrel with me. He does because ladies, some people say I want him to quarrel with me, so they go. So I'm going to do something so that he will quarrel. And he's also not responding. Why? Why don't you respond? I want you to clarify. OK. Thank you. Put your hands together for all of them. Do something. I'm trying to overcome the downness by starting now. When Reverend Saki came, Reverend Jesse came. Then I realized that I really had a problem because when he came, from the very beginning, the first time he entered our house and he sat down, he sat down and was speaking in tongues. And these are things that are also spiritual and they bring life, but I've not done them. And then when we sit there working, going for evangelism, the way he goes and the way he does the work, and then how he did the church. Well, I started the church, but I realized that the people have become dull. They are not lively. And I knew that this is a church, but it was not like the Lighthouse Church that I know called Lighthouse Church. It's very lively. And then so when he came, as we were doing the church, I realized that I overlooked and given excuses for the people, for the things that they have done wrong. And I've not corrected them. I've not, I don't stand up to say that don't be like this. I just allow things to go. And so he brought the fire and the liveliness. I also learned from him. And I start to do it like that. So the church became more lively. They came for the ISI. And then at the IS I, I learned that if you want your church to grow and you want the people to be excited, you should preach about hope. You should give hope to the people. So when I came back, we're preaching, we're supposed to talk about faith. So I preached about I am, I have, I can. And our church was so exciting and we're so happy. And I was also happy about the church that I have been started. So I believe that I believe that this is something that I can do and I believe that there's more to learn and I'm learning it. And finally, we were called to Accra for a council meeting and we are in the council. We talk, but I look at Reverend Silas and I'm not the way he was talking, but he always talked with some. It's not, it's not a preaching or anything, but anything else to say. He sits with some zeal inside emotion and some I feel it any, any contribution that he has, he says it well. And I said this is something that I can learn. So I believe that there's more and I'm learning, and I believe that it's a change. Amen. Now, all phlegmatics you have been exposed, you have to decide to be phlegmatic. Choleric. Yeah. A person that I've seen who is both phlegmatic and choleric is Reverend Steve Manson, my friend, Reverend Steve, He has a big church and is both choleric and phlegmatic. Very phlegmatic and very choleric. Yeah, he has A and I've seen that quite a number of people who are Fleck choleric. You'll be surprised the two are in the same person. The person can just float peacefully with everyone and at the next moment it's on fire saying hey look, so I think all fagmatics receive choleraism in Jesus name. Take it one.