15. Questions & Answers

Welcome to track #15 of warnings of purpose. It is very, very important. I think that Bishop kept on emphasizing the importance of the shuffling conference and, and the other councils and other things that, you know, have been set up to make sure that the church runs in a certain way, Hallelujah. And we need to respect those things. Hallelujah. Because you see, if we don't do that, there's going to be disorderliness, which is, which is a sign that we are allowing evil spirits to enter into our myths. And do what? Into our ranks and to distep the work that is going on. Caravan. Amen. All right, so shuffling Conference is for all of us, and when you are invited, you must come. You see, the reason why you must come is that sometime Bishop kept on saying that if we're a pastor of Lighthouse and as we are here, we are not here. You see, all the things that we have heard, the directions, the wisdom, you know and all that, you don't have it, You don't understand it, you see. So you're understanding your mind, your ways are totally different from what all of us believe. And you realize that revelation comes. God doesn't give all the revelation at one time. No, God gives the revelation in this and in peace. Life comes on and then it goes off and then more light, you know, comes. So you realize that we have entered another stage or another period where regulation has come. But at this material material movement where there's regulation, there are so many laypasses who are sitting in darkness. How many of you understand that? No, they are sitting in darkness, they are sitting in total garden. They don't, they don't understand their purpose. They do get it. And as they are there, maybe they are even going for chair services, maybe they are having prior meetings or whatever. Do you see? But they don't even understand their purpose. And the only reason is because at a time when they have to be here, and you see, when it is time for you to be somewhere and you are not there, it can be very dangerous. You see, the scripture says that, you know, at a time when kings, you know, go to battle. All right, David was in his house. The only reason why he, David, had a terrible, terrible, terrible problem was because he was not at the right place when when as a king, he ought to have been there. So when we were a king, when we were a pastor of the church, were the king busy? And when the time comes for you to be somewhere and then you are not there. So what we are saying is that please, let's understand that the Bishop wants all of us to conform and it is a sign of not following, not accepting, not loving, not practicing, you know, the things that respecting the things that we are being told to do. If you don't show up, can have an Amen, All right. And then also it could be the case that genuinely, you know, for some reason you can't be here. Do you see all all of us work in places? And you see the reason why often you realize that you come into conflict with the leadership is because your actions are a sign of disrespect for the church. Yeah. I mean, each time I'm going through pastoral appointment discussions with Bishop, and one of the things I kept on saying, do they respect the things? Are they following the things? Are they doing the things? You know, I mean, we must respect, you know. So just like we saw in the case of Our Lady Pastor, you know, who came, you know, and we realized that she had a crisis. But it was almost, hey, I mean, Charlie, tell them that I can't come. This is whereas throughout the whole year, formalities have been followed, letters have been written from, you know, specified authorities. This is and then you just wave your hand and it's like, look, tell them that, you know, it doesn't show respect. It has not or as we are here and the conference is going on and the camp is going on, you take your bag, you take your whatever and then you just go out. I spoke to one pastor. Why did you leave? You know it's a half workers to go and pay half workers to go and pay. Now you see we are not saying don't pay your workers, but it is also a sign. It's a sign. That's what I want to say. The fact that the fact that as a leader somewhere knowing that you have to pay people, you have to come, you see, and then sneak out to go and pay the extra sign, how many of you as a sign? I got this. It's a very bad sign because you see, one of the greatest signs of a good leader is that you make yourself of no use. Things must not depend. It's like everything depends on you. You're not a good leader. If you're a good leader, you know, there are things that you do. Yeah. A good leader operates by the pyramid principle. You sit at the top and then there's a big epis. This is so. There are certain things that come to you and that is it. But once you are there, you are taking care of the top to the base. So when you have to come here and when the conference is going on, the camp is going on, revelation is coming, you see the direction of the Church is being given, vision is being recasted and then you have to go, you have to leave yourself personally, the CEO to go there and pay. It's not a good sign for yourself. Hallelujah. So please let's respect the the things that and and Bishop made a very important point that you see, we need to respect these things and also the people who have been put in charge because tomorrow you realize that you are the person there. Do you get it? Yeah. So if they are, if they are thinking at all, I mean, Mr. Bhaiya said, let me just put it aside. Tomorrow you'll be sitting in his chair and what will you do? Do you get it? What will you do? You have to reap the harvest. And after the harvest, it is always more than what you sow. The the harvest is always pressed down, shaking together and running around. Hallelujah, Hallelujah. Is that a good idea? All right, then there are people who don't even, they don't come and they don't say anything and they don't say anything at all. I mean, we have, I don't know as of now how many lay pastors, but probably about 800 or so, you know, is there for summer here. Do we know lay pastors, 518 lay pastors, all right? And we have a little over 300 year, 480 pastors responded positively that they are coming, all right. So why? Why are the 180 lay pastors who are part of the church, who are taking decisions on behalf of the denomination, who are implementing the mind and the heart, you know, of the Bishop? Where are they? So what are they saying? In what direction are they leading the flock? Do you see? And they are not here. And that is how things begin to spoil. Amen. And listen to the bishops. One of the things that you realize is that whereas other churches and denominations at this particular time are taking active steps to learn and to copy what they are seeing as good in our midst, we rather are taking steps to trace the things and to undo. Amen. Do you get it? Yeah, we must not be like the generation that lived after Joshua and his generation because those people, the Bible said they serve the law because they knew him and then they knew his works. But when Joshua died and the generation that lived with him, the Joshua generation, the Bible said that, and they rose another generation, that new notch, the Lord. Why? Because they are not taking their time to study and to reach and to remind themselves about what has happened. How you getting that? So we must know what has happened. We must know how this church has been laid. We must know the heart of our fathers. We must. We must know what they have believed in. We must understand their vision, their commitment, their dedication, their values and the standards that have guided them up and to this stage. And when they have said, OK, you too, do your best, then we come, you get it. And then we are operating in another way. We must all be afraid that when something good has been handed over to us, we should be afraid and worried that we don't twist it. And this is how it begins. Amen. This is how it begins. We must not be like Rehobuah who was given everything but he lied the wisdom, the insight, the counsel, the leadership skill. He said because 11 went to see the the elders, they said look what the people are saying, do it and then they will save you forever with all their hearts. Now, the reason why they said that was because this, these elderly people who were looking feeble, you know, and all that, what they were saying, when you look at their physical abilities and their strength, it's like some old man. I mean, sit down somewhere. But like Bishop said, when an experienced man is speaking, you may look at him and wonder, this man is the rocker and the contents in touch. So, yeah. So as Bishop is cancelling us, you know, and telling us this is the way to go, this is the way to go. That is how we must go. Hallelujah. That is how we must go. We must not shift. We must not add things that must not be added. We must pay it. Amen. Let us be followers of them who through faith and patience followers, followers. How are we going to succeed following Amen. We are not disciples. Who is a disciple? What makes somebody a disciple? Is that the, the, the persons following of the teachings, You get it, Of the of the person that he is following and not only the teachings, but implementing, accepting, following and living by those teachings. That is what makes you a disciple. Yeah, Amen. I got on that. So Jesus said if you work in my way, then you be my disciples in it. The way Hallelujah, why are we not doing well? Why are we the way that we are? Because the we have not paid heed to what we have been taught and what we have heard. Some of us, we shouldn't meet certain pastors. If you meet someone like Bishop Takiyaboy, I care. But when he speaks this message, he can, He can call you and say Bishop says something about bayonets. He wants to find out in which camp, which camp message can he find out in him? He will shuffle you fully. Oh, honey, I speak. He will. He will say something. As Bishop said in this president, he said it was a Tuesday message. Do we know Tuesday messages, do we know unquenchable firearm messages? Do we know? Pray that you don't meet certain cousins. Amen. So it's very important. It's very so less flawless. Less Anna, less respect, less practice. You know the things that we have been told, and then we'll do well. Super totimothy, meditate upon these things. Give thyself holy to them. What does it mean? Give yourself holy. Accept it, understand it, work in it, implement it. Be dedicated to what I have told you so far. Use it, advance in it. Don't neglect, neglect it. Let it be the basis of your ministry and your personal life. If you do that, you would succeed and your, your, your profiting. Your success will be so glorious that everybody will see it. Now let's ask ourselves, how come that we are not seeing much because we have not given ourselves holy? Yeah. And you see, our minds must also be corrected about certain things. You know. So now when you talk to some people, when you are talking, you have a feeling that when we say, are you following the Bishop's ministry, it's almost like, ah, why can't I follow, you know, some other people? It's almost like I, I'm not supposed to follow Christ. Do you get it? Yeah, you're supposed to follow Christ. As Bishop is following Christ, you also follow him. Amen. And Bishop yourself says that, look, when it gets to a point that you see that I'm not following Christ, that is the time and the point. Do you see at which you say, look, I'm not following you. So we are following Him because He is following Christ. Hallelujah. How do we know that He is following Christ? By their fruits you shall know them. Amen. Is that not the case? You get it? So we must be convinced. Is it because life is all about following? Life is all about following and and you will arrive faster by following. You arrive faster, quicker and you arrive without much confusion just by following. Yeah, yeah. You can see when you are driving to a certain place and you don't know the place, all right. And the person that you are you are going to has given you directions is good. But if you should get somebody who knows the place, you you get it. You know somebody who who knows the place, I say, oh, you're going to Ravin Joe's place. OK, follow me now. It is it will be easier. Is it because he said that when you get to this, especially in in Ghana, so when you get to assault down there, there there's a kiosk, there's a allotted kiosk. There's a which one? So the one on the left under the tree, it's OK, but I'd be surprised that when you get there now there, there there are 7 verticios 1 is called Akahasufo. Something something something is there. And maybe he said maybe he said it's, it's red. But what he says is red is actually pink or yellow or orange. But but the person, he said, doesn't know color. So when he sees yellow, he says it's red. So you arrive and you're looking for a red kiosk. And then you have a yellow, yellow, red that is there. So you don't know what to do. You'll be there hauling again. And then meanwhile, the person's battery is also gone off. You get it. So you'll be there. But if you meet Lady Pastor Kathleen and that's oh, why you were having just no problem, just follow me, you see. No, no, you have arrived. There is nothing new for us to do. The people who have succeeded have succeeded because they have just followed and down the fence for years. Mishap has used Mishap I as an example. He has used Mishap Sam as an example. They have nothing that they are doing because Sam says I've come to the Kodesh, I've seen that this is where they put the a new basket has come. OK, a stall. I don't even know why, but because it's being done here, maybe there's something. I'm just doing it. Many of us, we are not, we are not following properly. We are following, but in our hearts, you see, the following must come from your heart for us. A man is in his heart, So is he. So what we are seeing and you are seeing, you see, we are seeing it differently because in your heart you are different. Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you know that you can do a lot of good work, but your heart is not perfect? I think in Second Corinthians tenified there was this him, Amasia, the Bible says that he, he did all things, but not of a perfect heart. Our hearts must be perfect. We must be fully persuaded of the teachings, the doctrines, the wisdoms of the Father that we have. Do you get it? And I'm saying that what is the evidence? The evidence is the foot. Sorry. You want to ask a question? I hope I can answer it. If I can answer it. Bishop. Are you Bishop Steve? Don't dismash me. Bishop Interfer, what you're saying is so important, and the scripture that comes to mind is Psalm 82, verse 5 about earthly pastors, concerning those who are not here, they do not know, nor do they understand. They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I said. Ye are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless, you will die like men. My question is that in the light of what you said earlier, that as we've been here, light has come by the messages we've heard. So our colleagues who are not here are in darkness and do not even know or understand that they are in darkness. Others gathering also are overseers. So if you have a diocese and you realize some of your pastors did not come, what do you advise? I'm asking that because I remember in O 7 and then it was a convocation board that was in place and we met the Presiding Bishop after one of the morning sessions and his concern, his heart ache was about Akrale Pastes who at the time did not come at all percentage wise. The north came with buses, Kumasi buses and Akra pastes. Many were not there. And I remember as he was talking, he mentioned Etronam Jhansi Danisoa and then Emmanuel Kwanzaa. Yeah, I, I I'm saying that it's a very serious thing you are saying. I'm saying that the absence of a lay pastor at such a gathering has far greater imports or implications than we may want to admit it. And so that's why I'm asking, because clearly, clearly when we go back, something ought to be done because they do not know, nor do they understand. And something will be done. We'll assure you that when you have to be here and you don't come, something will be done. And you see when something is being done. All right, We must have a mob action attitude. Did you get it? Now, If, if, if the, if the overseer is here and the passes when we arrive, we ourselves who address the issue. Do you get it? It makes it even stronger. Let me address this issue. There was something a Bishop said the first day when he was preaching. He went somewhere to the middle there. And I said, when I look at the first of the second, he said, even when I look at your faces and your responses, I have a feeling that many of you don't fully agree, you see or accept what I am saying. How many of you remember that statement? And it's so true. It's so true. It's so true, you see. And, and, and I think that that is something that we need to collect. Amen. We need to collect because otherwise what happens is that your leader seems who looked in the eyes of the of the people as being unreasonable and then you are like a very nice person. Not only that, it weakens the hand of the leader, it weakens. And I will show there, Bishop, that when this Landisawa issue came up, Bishopsaki asked me to have a meeting with him and in shepherds in my office. So I gathered all the pastors in that diocese, pastors, diocese, the king, the shepherds. And I mean, I went into the issues ferociously, you know, and to my amazement, as I was just looking around, I say from time to time, I say when, when, when you're speaking, you need someone to say, please, I want to say something. That's what you are saying. It's very true. You get it. So it's like you. It's like somebody who you see when you speak, because as a leader, when you speak in a certain way and then the whole place is quiet. It's almost like a diabetic patient who is on insulin who has taken an overdose, that the tenant is overweight. Now the person is being a little busy and a little unsure about what is happening around him. And then suddenly they come and give you a shot of very concentrated sugar. Then you revive again and you need that. At the meetings later. I was sitting down there and looking at the passes, and I tell you, the Shepherds were facing us fully with questions. Yeah. Why can't we live with him? Are we bound to Lighthouse? Oh, yeah. I tell you, it was not an easy meeting. At a point I have to run out and say, Bishop Saki, what is happening? That's not easy. So that's what I'm saying. I called him on the I called him on the phone. What is happening here? He said what? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, it was not easy. Do you get it? It was like I was attacking the issue and they were like this hyenas who came, you know, flying to take over the tent. And at that point, you see, I needed a pastors and lay minister sitting down there to come in. Not that I couldn't address the issue, but what I'm saying is that and to even make and to even make it better, why are they are they here? Passoko, Passoko, do you remember? But that was at the end when I was spoken and and the person you see, they they drove out the person when now he began to attack them and even insult the pastors. I mean, it wasn't easy. You could see that the guys were well prepared. No. Why are they? Why are those passes? No. But in all honesty, Pasoko was one of the few who chipped in here and there. But only that you know. Because I spaghetti continuously. Let's play the person. What do you think? In fact, at a point where place nearly turned into a boxing arena because there was a point where Pastor Ku virtually changed one of them out. By then I was at a car park with Bishop Interfol and Reverend Danny. Reverend Danny Suwa, you can hear, I said. At a point the whole thing turned like a boxing arena and Bishop Interfol, myself and Pastor Danny were downstairs at the car park and one of the shepherds who was. Chased. Out came. You know, in a. Rush sat in his car and because we didn't know what was going on up there and Pastor Lenny called the gentleman, said Leslie. Leslie come. He sat in his car. Screeched over and then almost run somebody down at the car park and I said it was then that later on we got to know that they were there was a Fisticos up there. Yes, that's right. Actually, what happened was that when Bishop Pintefo, Pastor Artur and then Dennis, I went downstairs. There's them, we told the shepherds. There's the condition. We told the shepherds that he looks stupid. I mean down the statement he looks stupid the questions you are asking. Because if you've been in this. Church. You've read Loyalty and Disloyalty, but is the the point I'm making is that when they were asking those stupid patients at that time, at that time, Chamoy, Chamoy, I think this guy needs to be smashed. Why sit down before we smash it? But you see, this is what this is one of the things that Bishop wanted us to learn from the film because you could see that when the lions come, you see there was a mob action is that we are all coming. And we saw yesterday that oranges when we come in a mob action, they ran away. Yeah, so wherever there are issues, you see, we, the pastors, we must rise up and not leave the issues only on the leadership. And then the glory of the king lies in the multitudes that have gathered around him. And that is why when politicians are campaigning, they will make sure that they have, they have mobilized the crowd that you see there. It's not because they have just arrived, but I see they realize that if I come and stand on the stage and there are only a few people, it's a psychological defeat. You may have all the good message, but psychologically you have lost a battle to your enemy. So they will do everything to bring people from everywhere. Hallelujah, let us have the same mind. You got it, Paul told the Corinthian church. Let there be no divisions. Have the same mind, have the same judgment, speak the same things. There are three things. There are things that we believe. We must have the same mind about them. We must have the same judgment. That is our analysis and our conclusions and our understandings and our vettings about the the the teachings and the doctrines and the beliefs that we have are the same. What I believe is what Raven Joel believes. That is what Raven Iben believes. Is, is is is is, is. You can't have it anyway. Yeah. And then when we are saying it to, we must say it in the same way because obviously people believe what they hear. And often we say we believe. But you believe. But you are not saying it. Did you get it? The issue has come. Oh, you believe that a guy. What the pastor did is he's out of out of line. He didn't follow the things. But you're not saying it. But you must say it. Yeah, you must say it. Hallelujah. We must not wait until the beautiful thing that we have a spot. May the Lord help all of us. So maybe with that we can questions, yes, Question Time and we must ask questions because when we don't ask questions, it's also a sign. And then we are the same people who go and stand somewhere and say that, yeah, they don't allow you to ask questions. Bishop Interfol. I, I want to ask a question which may seem controversial, but I, I, I really, I'm asking because I need counsel. As you spoke, I was telling Pastor Bright that hearing your description of the events and the meeting with Pastor Danny myself was coming. And I find that, like you said, sometimes there are pastors there. I'm not sure what the reasons are, but you do not see that outward open support for your leader. And so it's like the leader is left alone. Now, what happens is that when you find one or two people who openly express their support, especially when they are lady pastors, then it becomes like you are. You are the lady. Pasta is too somewhere. She's too known. It is a reaction I have faced since 2002 when I became a pastor. I I want to ask how do we handle that because I was telling my that. If I were. There I'm not sure what I would have done, but something very bad would have happened and that is the. Truth. But. When when you it's like, oh, the lady pasta is somewhere should be gentle. The woman, they are killing the sheep. So I I. Honestly want to ask what do we do? What do we do? OK, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Reverend Steve. Reverend Steve Wilson. Hallelujah. I believe what Bishop Ventefo is saying is very, very important and what he's talking about and what is needed is a response. And the response can come from a male pasta, that is, or a lady pasta. So I don't think you have to be worried in any way. You have to come up and express what you think. Thank you very much for what you have said. I do agree with you that that is what it should be. Unfortunately, my experience is that that is not how it is in reality. Like I said and and I, I mean I saw some lady pastors stand up. That is not the reality. The reality is that a lady pastor who would openly support is immediately targeted in people's. You are not gentle, you are not meek and mild. They are ferocious. They are chasing the sheep away. That is the reality of our experience. There are not many of us who are clerics, but that is our problem. So I don't know. That's why I'm asking how. What do we do when we get? Counsel, we'll know how to how to. Behave OK. Yeah. Please allow me to make a point then. All that we have heard here about responses, how to respond to a round goods and how to face them maintained. I don't think that for once there was any distinction made between a male pastor and a female pastor. The buffaloes fighting, the males are fighting, and the females are also fighting. But once you come out to fight, you'll be seen as somewhere as the leader is speaking without their support. He is also seen as some way. So if you really want to follow and you want to do the right thing, for sure people would see you to be some way. If you are worried about that, then you can't do what you have to do. So I think that is the feeling of people, but you still have to rise above it. Yes, let let us adjourn this. Bishop, I think that the reason why I think the women were so charged yesterday we were having a discussion out there and many of the wives as we as we spoke then they said, but the head, the leader is my husband. So when I speak or when something is happening and I get up and I charge and I something then I am fed. But why should why did you say that and why did you handle that? So they were trying to ask me what to. Do. And I said the sickness, all of us have it. So for me, the truth is that as the years have passed, have become more and more flake, more and more quiet, more and more silent. You know, Bishop, all the family women are collected. Oh, Bishop. So I think that much as we are bringing it in and we are seeing that from our point is that it's true, Bishop Steve, it's true. There's no distinction between women and men. But hello, hello, hello. One meeting, one meeting. But really and truly, because this meeting is about clarity, I think we have a problem that we need to address. Many times we see the things. I remember that as we went into Kumar say, I would go there, I would go crazy. I can see instrumentalist in T-shirt on the stage if something is just doing me, but I can't say it, I can't talk about it. With Lighthouse, we don't have instrumentalists in T-shirts on the stage. We don't do it. We don't want this, we don't like this. Come again? Well, I don't know, but it was continuing, so it's been addressed and come again. That is the point is that's why I whistled to him that hey this, but it will still continue. Hey, the women are giving me fans so. All right. OK, praise God. I think that there are two things. First of all, I think that when our leaders are speaking, let's face it, we all pass this. Sometimes there are elements there that make you wonder by their quietness that you're speaking something wrong. And sometimes by the mouth of two or three witnesses, Bible says a matter is established. You can. Quench people's. Bad ideas or even negative intent just by a word of support to the leadership. Just. That suddenly quenches everything. And so I think we must be proactive in that area. Say something rather than saying nothing. It adds a lot of strength to establish the matter. Yeah, so that's one thing. The second thing is that our ladies, sometimes the reaction we get or the ladies get is not in the content of what is being said. No, I'm saying that because the idea is to get the point across and whatever way you can capture it and present it to be accepted is more important than even the the gesture. Often what is being, you know, pushed against is not what you say because there's a lot of substance. I would say the word fitly spoken is like apples of gold and pictures of silver. So I think that let's decide we want to get a point across and how can we capture it to be brought across such that they don't see your, you know, emotions, they see the spirit, they see the thing that is being the substance. And I think that when we do that, no, no, no, no, let's not fight it. Let's not fight it. That's one aspect. So there's an aspect for our ladies. That's often what happens even in marriage. You will realize that the person is not respect responding to what you're saying, but the way you're saying it. So, ladies. You are so. Wise, I've learned that look, with that women, the ministry will not be as fruitful but. Sometimes we swallow the. Fruitfulness, by the way, we present, so let's watch that. 2 The second thing. The second thing is that Bible says husband live with your wives according to knowledge. Therefore the male pastors, let's live with the female pastors according to that's how generally you know when themselves themselves come. And so let's also sieve off the emotions and receive the substance. It's a two way thing. So it's yes, the ladies let's work on our presentation, but also gentlemen, let's sieve so that together we can have a substance. God bless you. OK, Lady Pasavaida, let me survive that once, you also say. Something pastor credulity. I do agree with what you're saying. With. All due respect, I understand you ladies. Sometimes we act more with our emotions than analyzing things. But here we had a meeting in Switzerland, we had Bishop Ayi there, we had Bishop Saki there, we had pastors, and there goes a pastor who has crossed his leg and addressing our reverends as if they are his colleagues. I had good pimples on my skin and I wanted to go and get you out of the brother. Shut up, shut up. These men you are talking to are not your colleagues. They are not small boys. And that is what I'm saying. Sometimes we allow these people to just get up and say anything and go away. They are talking to our bishops and our reverence. And I disagree with it. I disagree with it. And at that time, I won't have gold and silver in them apple. It won't come. You see? It's won't come. It's won't come and and. And can I finish, please? Can I finish, please? And, and I am, I'm very, I'm very emotional about what I'm saying. That is why Suzanne is what it is today. I'm very emotional and I'm very, very hurt. If we sat down and watch these people misbehave in the country and then we are not going to allow them again. I will not allow them. And I'm ready for them. Chomoy, chomoy, chomoy. Zambila Mina Zambila. Mina. All right, OK, sit down. All right. Amen. I'm really not Privy to the substance of the discussions I just came in, but I think what Bada is saying is that is the thrust of what this camp is about, that all of us have been brought up. Well, we are very polite, we know how to speak and so on. But these are the things which have really cost the Church and allowed certain elements to really flourish. And you see so when you. Meet an enemy who is acting. In an unconventional manner. You do not adopt a conventional manner to address the problem. This is the point. Yeah. So I, I mean, I believe, I mean, I was brought up well, to a certain degree. I, I, I mean, polite, know how to address the issues. But there are some devils you do not use politeness to to address them. And I'm saying that this camp is a watershed moment for the church, in the church, because that's a way. We've done things. And we know, especially in Switzerland, that things have flourished in a certain way because of the, you know, God that and whatever. So I, I believe that presently we need to, to remove the silver and the gold and, and, and, and attack people properly. So, so at this point, whether you were brought up well or not, behave as if you are not brought up well and and really fight the issue so that they will know that any action that is untoward will be also met with an unconventional approach. God bless you. All right, that's Alex. Bishop I I want to read something from Joshua chapter 22, verse 10 about the offensive alter. And when they came to the region of the Jordan, which was in the land of Canaan, the sons of ribbon and the sons of God, and the half tribe of Manasseh built an altar there by the Jordan, a large altar in appearance. And the sons of Israel heard it and said, Behold, the sons of ribbon and the sons of God and the half tribe of Manasseh built an altar at the frontier of the land of Canaan in the region of the Jordan, the side belonging to the. And when the sons of Israel heard of it, the whole congregation of the sons of Israel gathered themselves at Shiloh to go up against them in war and jump into verse 17. He says it's not the iniquity of pure enough for us from which we have not cleansed ourselves to this day, although a plague came on the congregation of the Lord that you must turn away from this day, from following the Lord. And it will come about. If then, if you rebel against the Lord today, that he will be angry with the whole congregation of Israel tomorrow. When when you read the whole thing, when it happened, it was the 10, the leaders of the 10. Tribes who gathered. Themselves, without even Joshua. And said let's. Go and talk to our. Brothers. They are doing something that is wrong. Let's deal with them because if we don't deal with them and there's a problem, it will affect all of us. It will affect all of us. So I'm just saying that from what we have learned here, we have to stand together when somebody's doing something wrong. We shouldn't even like Bishop was saying. We should say that Bishop living with us. Let us, the sons, go and confront the issue and deal with it. Thank you. Amen, Lady Pastor, Mr. Ankara watershed #4 an important point of division or transition between two phases, conditions, etcetera. So it's an important point of division or transition between two phases. So we have had phase one of spaghetti responses, you know and all that and we have, we are now entering and have entered phase two of arrow attacks. I think that's the difference is that also that's the difference. You know when I had this meeting for near the people? As I was. Fighting, you know, I mean the the persons were just looking at me at the point I was wondering, I mean, am I saying something very bad? Just the issues and I'll just say that just one voice without just giving me a lot of. Strength. So that's what we are talking about. So this is the watershed camp phase one, like Paseido was saying, nice cities, please be careful, you know and all that, You know that. And I think that in a certain sense, if you look at the, if you remember the funeral I watched, I think that the Buffalo's reaction, you see, there was a certain initial slow, slow reaction that made one of them to be actually being put down before they charge again. So maybe that is the phase one that we have been having that slow reaction, very unsure what we should do, you know, and, and all that. But now it's that once we see them coming and we are sure that they are behaving unconventionally, we must also have the mob response accent with our. Arrows. And everything in attack and that is it. And when it comes to that, the ladies are saying that we must allow them. I think that basically, yes, what Pastor Kojo said say something about the. Ladies one of the things I found about the ladies is you find out that the the women tend to have. Sort of. They they seem to be more tuned to follow what we are asking to be done far more. That's what I find. It's like these are the things we've been given to do 1234. This is what we've been asked to do and we are doing it. I find that more from the ladies. And even that is why. To help me, the people who are helps ministers in my life, mostly they are ladies. They, they do that he wants this, this what he wants and this what we are doing. We don't understand anything else. So I'm able to achieve more, build more buildings, do more things because they want to do what I have intended to do. So it helps me a lot, you see. And and the ladies who are also pastors and geos, I find them in sometimes in a check. More. This is what is the right thing to do. So I think that the ladies also, I mean like when I give an example of this, my brother-in-law up till today, my sister does not agree with what he's doing. Up till today, it's been 9 years. She has never changed her mind. Up till today, she regards him as somebody who's lost. Yeah, she gas him as somebody who is totally off and she pities him even when the church is growing. She says that the the church that is growing is deceiving him and he's becoming prouder and that will lead to his distraction. It's amazing. She has not all this. Yes, she has. No, no, no. OK. This my husband and my family. So this and that. Not even she has not she has not bad even 1 centimeter in her understanding of the issues. I spoke to her a couple of days ago even I'm telling you she has never changed her mind. She said what you are doing is wrong. These people are not our members. They are lighthouse. People, you are spoiling the text. You are ungrateful for what has been done to you, she said. We would never have been in Zurich. Bishop asked us to come to. I was working at United Mason High Commission for Children. What is it called? He asked us to come to Zurich. It was when we came here. That you, you, you and he said come find the job and I got. A job and you were also. Brought in everything we have and where we are is because of the direction he made me said married and I'm married. I remember the window I was looking after and she was done sitting behind on the side here. Sudha, marry, I said marry him. He's a good person. So the ladies, I'll tell you what they are saying, take it from me. Many of them they can see because maybe they, they don't, they are not any anything great. They are just people that can follow. You know, this is what they said we should do. They'll say what did they say? We should preach an Almanac. What do they say? And the man who said they said we shouldn't pray to the Holy Spirit and then we shouldn't pray to the holy, they say we can't pray. We can't pray to the Holy Spirit in this church to know what we've been from God. You don't even pray. You yourself, you don't pray. So it's a watershed. I say it's a watershed. You see what Alex was Sherry. I don't think we, I don't I don't know that scripture. I'm going to check it out myself. But what we must realize is with a body when you spoil. If. You if you like this evening, remove. Just don't even remove the whole thing, just a small pack it will affect. Everything you cannot even think if you like. Don't even take the bone just before the bone before the ball and see whether you will be normal. Even when you go to toilet and you have to wipe your bottles, you see that that this place has an importance that finger, the finger that you have been using to to wipe. You see that it has a purpose. Even though it doesn't look important. Many things that the men do, the ladies cannot do, but that's one of the things the ladies can do well. And you see in the church sometimes if you listen to me, you will see that at a time I may be blasting the, the ladies say Ghana girls this, Ghana girls this, Ghana at other times I said, so you have to listen to everything and you will know that this same person is making so many of us pastors, which church do you have? Lady pastor, this lady pastor, lady pastor, this lady reverend, lady pastor, lady GO, you ask? I mean, go around. Even when Juanita, that I remember when Reverend Steve, my friend Reverend Steve came around and so on and they were saying it's like. A lot of. Ladies have something to do in the church, which is unusual. There's nothing to do for most people are women. It's like Charlie. Sit down, make meat pies, come and sell at the canteen, finish. Your work is over, you are nothing. I hear they are giving opportunity to preach and also when it comes to men are this women are this always try to hear the whole thing. Hear this one here and when is your time it's not working. It's a blasting for you. Just just be smiling, look straight, and then you just posted the. Thing what they are saying, it is true when the one is in your favour and you flow with it so. Brothers, we shouldn't say. It's not true about the ladies, what I'm saying about the ladies. It's true. You yourself should see it's true. They don't easily change even like the example I was giving of one of our church members prayed for her. She had a baby, she had a baby. She never wanted to go to that church. Came to see my wife said look at what my husband for 15 years we have been in this church. What has Bishop done to us? We have been in this church. This man is. Forces like, it's like. Divorce or come and follow me to this church in Zurich. She doesn't want to. What is this? You see, that's what I'm saying, all these things sometimes. So sometimes you see the the wife of the woman element is like this is the way and there's nothing bad as being done to us. But another spirit is possessed the the man. So marriage, honestly, it can be quite complex sometimes before you see that the whole thing is becoming something else. Yeah. Anyway, back to you watershed discussion. Put your hands together for Bishop, OK? Mine is not a question, I just wanted to say that sometimes we as a church also have to do some introspection because we allow these things. The signs are there, just like Bishop said in his book in Loyalty and Disloyalty, that this loyalty doesn't happen overnight. These three lay ministers, I remember in 2007 or 2008, we interviewed them and we recommended that they should not start churches and that if they have started churches, they should bring them to the headquarters. And I talked about it. So it's interesting. We allow them to go and now they've gone away with all the churches. And then we are now saying that why didn't we do this? So sometimes we also have to, yeah, look out for the signs. And much as we don't just jump into conclusions and, and sack them, right. And we, we have to observe them for some time because we allow them to go. And now they've gotten away with all the three churches. Amen.