30. Questions & Answers

Welcome to track number. 13 of Break forth and become who you can become. To us this afternoon, I mean a lot to keep our minds working and keep us thinking. So there has to be questions, comments, and how it practically applies to you, how it practically applies to you. I believe that there's something that we have to leave this place with is the spirit of understanding. Spirit of understanding that whatever you hear linkages and the ability to understand how it applies to your life, every point, your life and your church. Amen. Yeah, Pasaki. I realized that the what are the characteristics of the monkeys? The rivalry impulse. I I mean, it's for me personally, I realized that I cannot. Compete. For anything with anybody, because it's a, it's a monkey mind that makes you want to compete and fight. People, but rather. The ability to push people up, take them to higher places, is what shows that I am. I have a. Mind of a human being so in the church also the the mind is to. Talk about. It and kill. That that natural. Rivalry that comes up because of this, because of that, so that we can all behave like human beings, which we really are human beings. Let's see. We'll saw some monkey traits in yourself. Reverend Steve. What challenges me in this teaching? Is the. Need to study because at the end of. It it's like this is a monkey which. Looks like and behaves like a human being, and this a human being who is also given unlimited abilities. And if I don't use the abilities God has given me to advance, I mean far beyond the monkey level, then I am just slightly different from a monkey. So I think. I try to study. But not enough. And I want to do more of that. To be able to explore every gift, every ability, their unlimited ability to communicate, to calculate the numb brain and all that can be used to enhance myself as a person so I can carry my way myself far from the level of a monkey and advance in development. Not to just stop at the first stage. So that's what I want to do Say Amen. It's powerful. Rahul, you go back to our notes. What's the first thing? Then we comment on that. That's the first thing that we learnt. Have you found your notes? What do you have there? Number one is what? Wait, wait, wait. Let's try. And human beings, you know. So cooperation is very, very necessary. Have we all found it? Are we ready to go? OK, Shall we go? Why are you going fast out of it? They've done this through through copying, through copying. They've done this through copying. Isn't it unrestrained and effortless copying? That's how human beings have managed to move ahead of each other and human and monkeys. So practically in your life, what do you think you have to copy that you haven't copied to move ahead? Or what have you copied that you believe has really helped you in your life and ministry, Jamal? I mean, if you haven't copied anything, just say you haven't copied anything so that you can tell us what you think you have to do to move ahead. Well, personally what I would. Say is that? I don't know, but when I started the church I was coping more. But I don't know. Along the line, I've rather been slow in copying, for instance when I. Went to Hassan Kogwa. What were you copying? Like with the doing a lot of activities for instance, I went and said one of the 1st. Things I did. Was to organize a breakfast meeting and I had a lot of that in my mind. I don't know the line. I think. I've been a bit. I've been a bit slow in doing more of such things to help the church. Powerful, maybe. I want to. I think I want to know what we can copy, what should be copied. I mean, when we look at the Bishop and as he's been talking to us, share with us over the years and even at this camp, what can be copied, what should we copy? You understand? Yeah. Because otherwise you say we are copying, you know, everybody is copying, we are copying before we realise we are copying something that is not to be copied or that we have not probably seen in the house to copy. But here we are. We have him here showing us how he has moved. I mean, can you not see that the ministry is I've been years and miles ahead of us. So what is there to copy from him? What is the first thing that we can record and agree this and we must copy from the Bishop #1? I think what we can copy, or what I've been thinking about is when I look at the Bishop, I think he's somebody who has who is thinking on what he's doing. So the attitude of thinking on what I'm doing as a pastor we have been sent to on the work. That attitude consciously is something that I don't think I've copied enough that I can. Do we all agree that we've not been thinking about what we are doing? So we need to think, OK, so we need to think about what we are doing, think about the work, think deeply. Ruminate. Pastor Jake is explaining thinking to us. I think there's thinking and there's thinking and I believe that we would all say that we think about the work. But if you look at, I mean Bishop, his level of or the depth of his thinking, you can see that it's very deep. And whatever he seems to be studying, he's able to link it to what he's doing and and makes it more practical as to how can I use it for what I'm doing. So I think that's the level of thinking that we. We we need to copy, yeah. I think thinking to an extent of making all that, you know, relevant, that was the relevance of the things that you know, I mean, you know this, you know this principle, you know that there's a stage called passivity or there's this. Everything depends on a leader. How do you apply to your life that level, to that extent that when I see something, what does it mean in my life? How can I apply something that I know of? Because it looks as though we know a lot of things and we've heard a lot of things that we can't, we can't live it and we can't practice it. So thinking to that extent of applying what we know to our lives, well, it's quite general, OK, we've had a lot of things. OK. Correction, we've had a lot. Of things we know. OK. Yes, Bishop Adi. OK. But I mean. I mean, I don't. Think it applies to me in that sense. I mean, oh not, I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I'm just saying that because you can say we all know a lot of things, but I don't know whether everybody can say they know a lot of things. OK. We've had a lot of things. I agree. With you there are there are many things to know. There are many things to know that we have been taught and we've had much, yeah. Maybe. I think another thing to copy is maybe Bishop's persistence in, I mean following something until he catches it. Like what he was explaining. He was a power ministry. It's like if this is what he wants to go for, he he, he just chases it until it has fully rubbed off on him until he has caught it and then maybe moves on to something else. I mean, for me, there are things maybe I chase, but it's like up to a point then. But when I look at him, I realized that there are deeper depths of chasing and following that thing until it has fully rubbed off or you have fully caught it and then, you know, you break forth into that area as well. So for me that's that's one thing to seriously copy fully, not just partially. Powerful. Next thing to copy first Hensley. His desire for anointing is something that I think we have to seriously copy because he's followed it for many years and I think his. Desire is ever. Increasing and if we. Look at the way. He has sought even for the serving Spirit. Yeah. I think this is something we have to covet and copy, seriously. Powerful. I think Pastor Edwin wanted to say something. Doctor Go. I think his ability to take decisions is something we need to copy. We need to take decisions. How? How do you do that? To take decisions, it's not easy to take decisions about development. I mean, when things are going on, he takes a decision to change someone, to move someone. To to see into the house to sorry a window. A window, Oh OK, like a shepherd or a pasta, isn't doing things well, isn't obeying what must be obeyed. One can also perambulate, just go around and and so on. But he can take a decision to move the person. Or to. Break a wall or to move a church to a place. I mean they are all decisions, which I think AOL something. I think our book is gone. The monkey took our book away. Give us something else to copy here, Pastor Joe. I want to copy his interests in science and history, which has brought out a lot of very clear instructive message to all of us that sometimes even when we watch these documentaries, we just entertain ourselves with the animals moving around. But you know, there is so much information to be learnt from these things and without the spirit of understanding we will seem to be doing something. But obviously, as we find out, we may be moving closer to even monkeys without knowing so. Science and history. OK. That's interval. I think one other important thing for us to copy is, is the ability to develop people to work with. You know, you always see him working with a team, you know, so that is that is also very important. That's one thing that I have done and it has helped me. One thing that I've not been able to copy from the Bishop, I've heard him say a lot is praying in the night, praying through the night. I hear him say that a lot. But I realized that when I get to, I'm so tired that I can't, I can't do it. But it's something that I really want to be able to do because he, he talks about it a lot that he's able to pray throughout the night. And by the time he wakes up, you know, he feels much stronger. Is there a reason for wanting to copy praying through the night? Because he says that it's very powerful. You know, it's like the time is is quite silent. You know, it's conducive. You're not distracted, can be focused on prayer. Yeah, I've tried a couple of times but I feel so sleepy. Let's see. Thank you, first of all. Oh, sorry, sorry. Yeah, OK. I think there's one thing we can copy and that is to fight harm wherever we are, to fight it with a passion because. Who is harm? Harm is harm is primitive. I think harm is going back to the primitive way of doing things, allowing things to spoil and become what they are. Who doesn't know what harm is? Yeah, yeah. So only who doesn't know harm? The answer is hammock. OK, they all know. Because I think that it it creeps up on us always. And when you kill it, it resurrects and comes back again. So there has to be a passionate fight against harm. And when that thing is starts, you begin to strive for excellence. And then I think that we'll have something akin to the bishops. OK, to fight harm and to be anti harm, yeah. I want to be able to copy how Bishop delivers his message in such a way that his message doesn't leave you in any doubts. What he's trying to communicate, you know, times you'll be doing certain guest says that, you know, of course he can't look at what he's doing as though. It's it's he. Seamlessly goes out to do the thing that he wants to so that you understand what he's saying. Sometimes you couple to the front and then by way of a little sketch, you get through to what he's trying to to to make you see. And then he can also, you know, minister the spread and we're all standing up and we are receiving. So he has ways of delivering what he's what he's trying to deliver. And he gets home and I think I want to copy that. And after your experience in the front, what else are you going to change yourself? I I I think I I I am going to work hard on creating that the side of me that not so serious, not so formal. Thank you. Yeah, I have that side, but I think I don't bring it out interested in domain and I have to. Yeah, Oh. With my, my close friends, I am so, but I have to bring it into into like my preaching, you know, jokes, you know, if you know, I, I mean, I, I can flow in that area. Also. But I have to bring in the public domain so that the message will also get home. So yeah, preaching. Does it come or it doesn't? I think sometimes it comes, but it's not, it's not very. Very frequent. OK, yes. So you're going to bring it in? Yes, please, I will. For you. And I think what I would like to copy from Bishop is I don't know if it's close to thinking, but meditating on what I'm what I read. I think sometimes meditation is linked to the to the word of God because we probably see it more there. But I've never thought of meditating on books to read. And also special attention also to the textbooks that Bishop has released recently. I know it's a summary of of some of them. I don't. Know what we'll copy from him? Yes, I'm talking about to copy from him meditation, he's OK. Yes, he mentioned it as a point that we don't meditate when we read. So I think. No, I didn't understand what you were saying about the textbooks. Oh no no, I was relating meditation to the textbook also. Yeah. Oh, finish your point. Finish probably. I was relating it to the textbook because majority of his books or the books that he thinks are relevant, he's compiled them into these textbooks. And if we relate textbooks to the education system, we see that they are used for training to be able to exercise what has been into the in the books. So I think the same principles also in terms of what textbooks are really are really are can also be applied. But it can only be exercised once we are able to meditate upon what he has has written in the in the in those textbooks. Yes. OK, Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Napoleon. Thank you. I think one there are several about few of the things I think I want to copy fully is the way Bishop seems to Reverence and Anna Faddis and also the matchless way he tries to recognize the efforts of all the people who and doing the work. I think he is able to identify what this person did at what point making reference to it. And to me it's I mean when you listen to the camps, he seems to know a lot of people everywhere he goes. The names this person did this person did. It's a certain mind to really track what each person has done and also his humility. I think there is something I would like to copy fully. OK, thank you. So Zabli to Anna Fathers and then to remember what people have done. Is that what you're saying? And the third one is humility. How do you see someone's humility? Just to say a few, I think that somebody of his stature, I mean the way he carries himself about you are able to approach him, talk to him, is ready to accommodate you. It's not everybody who will be able to do that and I think it's. Thank you, Mr. Napoleon. Thank you, Peter Bryce. I thought you were helping me. One thing I would. Also yes. Please, one area I would also want to copy is the miracle ministry because personally, when I think about ministry, I see myself as oh, I'm, I'm, I'm a teacher of the word of God. Miracle ministry doesn't even cross my mind until, you know, this camp. I've realized that it's an area I can copy, and it's possible that if I copy it will work. So that's. Pastor Manuel Sichi. I think one of the areas that I want to copy is in church growth, Bishop mentioned about having main assistants who can who can be like you, and I think that is one of the things that I believe is very important to copy when we are trying to grow a church. How to grow a church? Yeah. Church Growth. OK, what's the next point after copying the next one? OK, what the second point please? Are we ready to do it? Like like people? Shall we go? By teaching one another, by teaching one another, by teaching one another. This evening we are very sure that there's no teaching meeting going on in the Cocoon Forest National Park. There's no teaching there. We are very, very certain. Yes, yes. So now we have to ask ourselves whether our churches are like Kakum National National Park, Congo Forest with a lot of apes or our churches are like a place for human beings because human beings are able to teach and have been teaching. So have we been teaching and teaching different groups in our churches? Practically, how has it been working in your church, Mr. Guyana, Pastor Collins, what type of teachings go on in your church? Are there teachings? Yeah, we normally have the Tuesday teaching service. OK. We have the new Believer school. We have the the. SAP one, SAP 2 as well. We have ministry meetings too, but we teach. The Churchmeness And what have you been teaching? We've been teaching. Born again 7 great principles key facts the lay school mega. Church loyalty and disloyalty. Victorious, living, teaching, things like that. What do you teach at SAP 2? No, it's. OK I just finished teaching mega church. Pastor Peter? No, you just weren't. I think Pastor Leslie wanted to say something here. Teaching, Teaching. OK. What teachings go on in your church? All right, I think apart from the normal. SAP pap Pop. Please microphone. Sorry, hello apart. From the the normal teaching. Services and the Tuesdays. Sometimes we have extra. Meetings. Maybe just meet the? Shepherds together and just take them through. One or two of. Bishop's books on a Casa or. Something. And who doesn't teach it? Yourself or someone else? Mostly myself, yes. How? Do you? Select How do you select the people? I think I look at the people that are more. Serious, those that are. Around. Those that are flowing that. Seem to be connecting with what's going on in in. The church. Oh, it it depends. Like for example, one of the things when it's, maybe we want to talk about it. Hello. Yeah. It's working alright. OK. Like if we want to, let's say for example, Evangelism Month is coming up. So we might want to like go in to. Win the lost. Or some other evangelism book. So it depends on what the season. Is and what we're also. Looking for for example now. Church growth. So I think one of the things that I'll be. Doing when I get back is looking at mega church to teach them. Teach the whole church. Instructions. Yeah. And then also try and go deeper. Into it with the shepherds. OK. Yeah, Pastor. I'm asking this question because, you see, Visual has written many, many books, so we should know how to use the books, you know, and that that would depend on what you want to achieve, even for yourself. You know, there's not a question of just taking any book to read, but what is it that you want to do for yourself? And then you go for that particular book. And similarly, if you want to train your people, the different groups, what is it that you want to achieve? Do you see, are these very young people that you selected as potential shepherds that you want to train them, build them up to become shepherds, then that would, you know, determine what material to use? Do you have shepherds that want to sort of, you know, build them to a a certain newer level? Maybe now you want to teach them about the importance of the anointing, you know, or certain other aspects, you know, then you go for a similar material. So it's very important. It's not just a question of picking anything at all that this time they want to, you know, we've got a teaching for it to be effective, it must be systematic. And that would mean that you must know what you want to achieve and then pick the right material and then take them through. That is how come you you get results. Thank you teaching whoever has been teaching in your church, Pastor NI, I feel a lot of teachings go on in your church. Apart from the, you know, the formal A/B MTC prescribe, you know, courses that take place, we also hold night schools every Tuesday evening after after service. And that's meant for the shepherds and all serious Christians on Sundays also. I mean, when there's no exam or any formal program going on, I usually gather the shepherds and anyone around and we take a book. But what I did one day was to take, tell them. And we went through a number of the points we've done that. We tell them we've done that with I think loyalty as well, loyalty and slut. Now, apart from these formal teachings, we, we spend a lot of time together, myself and Reverend Alex and Times lady Pastor Adele. Well, the guy is not there most of the time. So like informally we always see now and you know, discussing something that we've learnt. You know, it's something I see that Bishop do a lot. We don't invite. So yeah. We do a lot of. Informal discussions on things that we are learning. And I think those ones have been extremely useful, you know, so I because it's something I see the Bishop do a lot, you know, having people around him start discussing something. I mean, what do you think about this? Oh, I was learning this or begin to share. So we do that also. I think that's also helping us in bonding us together. I think Doctor Do wants to emphasize the point you just made. That's a go. Not, not exactly, but something which I'm tending to do these days is to teach individuals. I mean, as they worked and talked and I think there are times when there are particular people, not just shepherds, but members of the church who have a problem. It's also an an opportunity to teach the person something maybe a part of. A book. Or a scripture. And so on SO. Beyond the structured teachings and group teachings, sometimes a pastor or a shepherd who had the opportunity to also teach individuals in different settings. And I think it's also a very powerful way of moving from the monkey mentality. All right. Thank you. Next point please. Has anyone got a question on on on what we are talking about? So found a teaching, maybe you don't have a church yet or your church is there. So you don't really have any of these smaller groups that you could be teaching them. Do you have any question? Yeah. Yes, I wanted to ask this question to ask Reverend Interval, this question about the teaching of the lay schools. For example, in my church, I really don't have qualified or yeah, qualified shepherds whom they've finished the with everything and they've written their exams. And we also need to teach the lay schools. And I also, I think I, I learnt that before you become a lay school teacher, you must be a qualified shepherd. And since no, no, before you, you, you come to the training of, to become, to be trained to be a teacher for lay schools, you must be a shepherd. That's what I learned. So I was also asking that since there are no qualified shepherds in my church, I know that they will be organizing training for teachers for lay schools. How can I get teachers for for late schools in my on on? Must I wait till pardon me myself, all the schools? Yeah. So like Bishop Adi is saying, at that point, you, you're trying to, I was trying to whisper to you. So at that stage, you do the teaching yourself, you know, but what, what we say all the time is that please, you know, the late school material is say that all of us need to go through it ourselves. We should have been taught ourselves, believe me, because the material is quite deep, you know. So if you just take it for granted that, oh, you just predict, you know, I've seen people having late schools and really struggling. If you're a student, I mean, decide to ask you questions, it may not be easy, you know. So I'll suggest that maybe you go to your duo's place, you know, a couple of sessions yourself, go to death and then now you can teach it. If I had a late school material, you can actually teach it from the puppet on a Tuesday or Sunday, you know, to the whole church. So if you don't have people, don't force to get somebody you know just in the church to teach. The ways you can do is for you to teach yourself. After you've acquainted yourself with the material, I'll answer your question. Thank you. Just a contribution to the teaching, but I wanted to mention the root camps and how important they are to have a voice other than your own in your church. The Father's voice in the church. They could be very good. Forums for great teaching. From the Bishop himself. Yeah, that's Peter. I. Just wanted to follow up on the lay I mean the. Teaching of the lay. Schools. I wanted to ask Reverend Tiffle if they're still trainers, you know those organized schools for the trainers and are they, is it centralized or decentralized? Can I do it from South Africa or do we have to necessarily come to a BMTC? We, we have not done a centralized one for a while, I think within the last two years or so. But I believe that in many of the major places we have some key people, you know, who have been trained previously. So we expect that such people will continue to also train other people in the area. Of course, they must be well selected by the duo. Nevertheless, any time that you hear that we are having one, you know, try and rally around and then you come. Yeah. Just a just a little clarification. I was wondering. The people that. Are trained. By the local trainers, will you recognize them as certified trainers now if they pass the exam, you. When you train them and you let us know, we examine them and if they pass, that's fine. I think that's. Like for instance, the the you said the school of the word that we just did What if let's. Say, as a pastor. You're right, that particular exam as well in your past, will you be recognized as a trainer? Training is different from you sort of reading to pass an exam. Normally the training we do it over a three day period, you know, real systematic teaching of the material of practical demonstrations. We teach you how to run the lay schools and small groups, what you should do and all that. And that all all of that goes into the training. You know. So if you just take the manual and study for an exam, that will not qualify you to be a teacher of it do. You understand? Yeah, OK, let's talk about this or something else. How about this? I wanted just wanted to find out. I was just thinking about I wanted to know the exams that are done in languages other than English. Are there exams given for that? Like if you're in a country with the locals around and they are not able to commune in the English dialect. Like for example if this is in South Africa, if this is Zulu, can they be trained? Are there exams set up like that? For now in terms of rating low, So what we have said in those cases is that stilted them through the material and if you let us know that we have such candidates, we would let you know you organize an oral exam for them. I get it. Yes, so like that, same here, people you know, so you take them through the material and organise an oral exam for them. All right, let's move on to the next one. Next point. The next to human beings. I think a lot of people have been found. Their point yet? Shall we? Are we out there? Have you found it? OK, let's go. Ability to be taught, instructed, and to be taught, and the ability to be instructed and to be taught. Wow, what does it mean? What does this one mean? Pass the soil. Before this coming. I remember. Bishop saying a pastor. Who does not teach his people? Is depriving the people from. Civilization. So that's one thing I remember. The pastor who is not teaching the people is depriving the people. From civilization. Wow, who understands what that point means? All right. Are you excited? OK. Honestly, I've just been told that black people are insulted with.